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Transcript: The 11th Hour with Brian Williams, 4/30/21 – MSNBC

Summary

Manhattan federal prosecutors are seeking to examine Rudy Giuliani`s communications with an array of former Ukrainian officials, as investigators home in on whether the former Trump lawyer`s push to remove a U.S. diplomat in Kyiv violated foreign lobbying rules. Joel Greenberg, a central figure in the ongoing investigation into Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz, wrote in a letter obtained by The Daily Beast that he and Gaetz paid for sex with multiple women, including a minor who was 17 at the time. The Biden administration has confirmed that the U.S. will restrict travel from India starting on Tuesday in response to the surge of coronavirus cases and variants being observed in the country.

ALI VELSHI, MSNBC HOST: Congressman, if you get that White House Conference on Hunger, I will make sure that we cover it extensively on MSNBC. This is a crucial matter, and it doesn`t need to exist. Congressman Jim McGovern, thank you. Jean, thanks for putting a real face on this for us so that we understand those who, tonight, are not sure where tomorrow`s food comes from. Jean McMurray is the CEO of the Worcester County Food Bank in Massachusetts. That`s Tonight`s Last Word. You can catch me tomorrow on my show Velshi at 8 a.m. We`re going to learn more about the raid on Trump Lawyer, Rudy Giuliani`s apartment. I`m going to talk to former Trump lawyer, Michael Cohen, who`s lived this moment for himself on Sunday. I`ll be joined by the former -- by the current White House Economic Adviser, Heather Boushey. The 11th Hour with Brian Williams begins now.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, MSNBC HOST: And good evening once again, day 101 of the Biden administration. While the President is pushing ahead with his agenda, close allies of the last president are now coming under increasing scrutiny. There`s new reporting about the FBI raid this week on Trump`s former Personal Lawyer Rudolph Giuliani, his Manhattan home and office.

Tonight, the Wall Street Journal has joined the reporting which NBC News indeed confirms that investigators are focusing in on Rudolph Giuliani`s role in getting former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch fired from her post that was spring of 2019. It was the New York Times that first brought this to light. The journal also matches other outlets reporting that the Feds want to know more about Rudy Giuliani`s efforts to get Ukraine officials to open investigations into the Bidens ahead of the 2020 election.

Also, NBC News confirming the Washington Post reporting that FBI agents paid Giuliani a visit back in 2019, gave him a defensive briefing as it`s known in the trade warning him that, "he was being targeted by a Russian intelligence influence operation as he sought to gather opposition research on the Biden family. The U.S. government later made the warnings even more explicit releasing a public statement last year saying that one of the people Giuliani have been dealing with Ukrainian parliamentarian Andrii Derkach, is a Russian intelligence asset."

Giuliani his lawyer tells NBC News his client says the FBI briefing never happened.

Earlier on this network, the other Trump personal lawyer who was rated by the Feds predict that things could get difficult for Giuliani.

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MICHAEL COHEN, FORMER TRUMP ATTORNEY: One of the things that you`re talking about is, of course, Marie Yovanovitch in Ukraine. That is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what they`re looking for when it comes to Rudy Giuliani. The fact that the FBI now has his cell phones, they have his computer and other information, you could rest assured that that`s not specifically what or that`s not the only thing that they`re looking for. They have him and so if he`s looking to protect himself so that he doesn`t end up spending the rest of his life in prison, right, he may want to actually start to cooperate.

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WILLIAMS: There`s also new reporting tonight about Congressman Matt Gaetz. The Daily Beast says it has obtained a confession letter reportedly written by the congressman`s one time associate, Joel Greenberg, in the waning months of the Trump presidency which, "claims that he and close associate Representative Matt Gaetz paid for sex with multiple women as well as a girl who was 17 at the time. The letter was written after Greenberg, who was under federal indictment asked Roger Stone to help him secure a pardon from then President Donald Trump."

NBC News has not seen or verified this letter. There have been multiple reports that Congressman Gaetz is under investigation for possible sex- trafficking. Federal prosecutors have not charged Gaetz or confirmed their inquiry. That investigation came out of another one and to Greenberg in Florida who`s been indicted on a number of charges, including but not limited to, sex-trafficking. His lawyer has signaled he is willing to cooperate with prosecutors.

Today a P.R. firm for Congressman Gaetz, who has previously denied all these allegations, responded to the Daily Beast reporting with a statement that read, "Congressman Gaetz has never paid for sex nor has he had sex with a 17 year old as an adult."

Roger Stone issued his own statement which read in part, "I made no effort whatsoever to secure a pardon for Mr. Greenberg and I took not a dime from him or anyone else seeking a pardon. I have seen no substantiation or actual proof of any of the wild accusations he has made against Congressman Gaetz."

Meanwhile, back in the world of real life that has nothing to do with Trump or his associates, Joe Biden is starting his second 100 days in office with a full court press for funding his over 2 trillion jobs and infrastructure plan. Today he did one of his favorite things, he rhapsodized about trains. He was trackside in Philadelphia to help Amtrak commemorate its 50th anniversary, as a Senator Biden famously commuted by Amtrak train every day between D.C. and his home in Delaware.

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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I`ve been riding Amtrak for almost as long as it has been an Amtrak. Transit is part of the infrastructure, and like the rest of our infrastructure, we`re way behind the rest of the world right now. We need to remember, we`re in competition with the rest of the world.

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WILLIAMS: White House today reached a milestone in its vaccination drive over 100 million people in the U.S. have now been fully vaccinated almost 40% of the nation`s adults and nearly double what the nation had registered even at the end of March. With that accomplished now the effort is about vaccinating the hesitant. The coronavirus crisis continues to deepen in India with treatment almost impossible to find vaccines equally scarce. Starting Tuesday travel from India to the U.S. will be restricted, a move the White House says it made on the advice of the CDC, these restrictions will not apply to U.S. citizens.

The administration is also about to launch a significant foreign policy move. U.S. troops have started their withdrawal from Afghanistan ending a 20 year mission, our longest war. It comes 10 years after the raid that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden.

It`s a lot and with that, let`s bring in our leadoff guests on a Friday night as we bring this week to a close, Jeremy Bash, former chief of staff at CIA and the Pentagon, former Chief Counsel to the House Intel Committee, Eugene Daniels, White House Correspondent for Politico, co-author of each day`s edition of the Politico Playbook, and Dr. Kavita Patel back with us as well, Clinical Physician, former Senior Policy Aide during the Obama administration. She`s for good reason among our public health experts. Additionally, she is a non resident Fellow at Brookings.

Well, good evening, and welcome to you all. Jeremy, I`d like to begin with you with the former personal lawyer for the former president. What does it seem to you that the Feds and this is coming off Michael Cohen`s comments, the only other personal lawyer have been raided by the Feds? What does it seem to you they`re looking for from Rudy?

JEREMY BASH, FORMER, CIA CHIEF OF STAFF: Well, federal agents, Brian, it appears are looking at two things. One is the national security threat posed by foreign governments who would interfere in U.S. elections by spreading disinformation and Rudy Giuliani was clearly a conduit of disinformation largely emanating from Russia, through agents in the Ukraine. But the second thing that they`re looking at is whether or not criminal laws were potentially violated, when Rudy Giuliani lobby the Trump administration effectively on behalf of Ukrainian officials who wanted Trump to fire the U.S. ambassador in Kyiv because she was being very rough on corruption in Ukraine.

And I think, you know, the theory of federal agents, according to these media reports, is that if Rudy Giuliani was being paid, either in cash or in dirt, you know, on Biden or others, then effectively, Rudy Giuliani was illegally lobbying the United States government on behalf of a foreign government without registering. And that`s something that`s gotten people in hot water, and it`s even landed them in prison. So Rudy Giuliani, it appears, is you have the target or subject of full blown criminal investigation at this hour, Brian.

WILLIAMS: And Jeremy, a quick follow up, if Rudy did get that FBI warning, and still pal around with these guys, the Russian and Ukrainian types, I`m assuming that would be very bad?

BASH: It would be because effectively the defensive warning says hey, you may not realize this Mayor Giuliani, but you`re being used. And if he goes ahead and continues his activities, well, then he`s not just unwitting. He`s in on it. And I think that`s a huge red flag.

WILLIAMS: Eugene, how closely is the Biden crowd watching any or all of this?

EUGENE DANIELS, POLITICO WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: You know, they`re just like us. They`re paying a lot of attention. But something that this administration is really good at, is kind of keeping their blinders on, right? You heard President Biden tell our colleague at NBC News, Craig Melvin, that he did not know ahead of time that this raid was happening. And I think that`s exactly what you`re going to continue to hear from this White House as the DOJ investigates anyone, right? They want to keep out of the political fray. They don`t - President Biden promised to depoliticize the DOJ in the investigations in this country. And the thing that I keep hearing over and over from sources that I`m talking to, is that a lawyer being raided like this and we all know this is not typical right there questions of client lawyer confidentiality. And then when the lawyer is working for a president or a former president or a former president even, they would typically be even more careful, right? So the - there are so many layers to getting a warrant like this. And so this White House, they`re watching, but they are not engaging in a lot of these things. And that is the kind of arm`s length that they want to keep the DOJ at, especially when it`s something as politically fraught and as politically sensitive as someone like Rudy Giuliani.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, and as you noted, the idea of an independent Justice Department is going to take some getting used to coming on the heels of the Barr era. Dr. Patel, to you, I think any American with any humanity feels absolutely helpless watching what is unfolding in India at the same time we had a very proud milestone today 100 million Americans fully vaccinated, not just half but a full dose.

Let`s talk about the illness that is striking India, is there any chance that India of 2021 could be the China of 2020? In that these virulent variants, it`s hard to say, could find their way around those already vaccinated?

DR. KAVITA PATEL, FORMER AIDE TO VALERIE JARRETT IN THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE: Yeah, Brian, you`re hitting exactly on the point that many of us are concerned as we`re seeing not one, not two, but multiple concerning variants just in India that have been identified. And of course, that means that there`s still a huge landscape that has not been identified. And I think it highlights while we`re making such progress in the United States in the Biden team, is certainly not declaring any sort of victory yet, although they should be proud of the milestone. They see what looms large, not just in India, Brian, we`re seeing concerning trends in parts of Latin America, we`re seeing rises in places that had been incredibly vigilant like Japan.

And I would just add that, you know, India is a very large country, but there are neighboring countries, Pakistan, Nepal, and they have very little infrastructure even worse, and less so than India. And so this is exactly the issue that is going to dominate 2021, not just with India, kind of being a canary in the coal mine, but it`s going to pose challenges about what the U.S. is kind of stances on helping accelerate the global vaccination pace.

And on top of that, what are we going to do is we kind of log jam at about 50 to 60% of our population and see spikes like we are, we`re seeing some rising cases, although we`re doing great in terms of cases, Brian, 17% decline in the last week, which is great progress, we`re seeing increases in some spots, Oregon, Arizona, and that a lot of that has to do, again with the remainder of the population that not only needs to get vaccinated, but these are younger people that are turning positive and are still getting sick and unfortunately, an 800 deaths in the last 24 hours, we still have people dying from COVID-19 in the United States.

WILLIAMS: Eugene, a question to you and your beat on India, a lot of folks did not understand when they heard the travel ban today, these travel bans for a lot of families can just seem so draconian and can force families with, you know, urgent air travel needs in the crisis. People were asking today if you`re going to do it, why wait until Tuesday? I think it was to give people time. And obviously there`s a carve out for U.S. citizens, was there any pushback at the administration on that front that you were aware of today?

DANIELS: I haven`t found that in any amount, reporting what we have found is like that, you know, when these happened, there`s a lot of conversation about the impact, especially on American citizens that are in that country, like you`re saying, making sure that there`s a some time for people to be able to get back or get, you know, to get here, if they were already planning and then with their travel plans. And I think this is an administration that they`re a little bit more, I guess, careful in their planning than when they`re doing things like this, then the last administration, because they know that the blowback and the impact of those policies and changes that you said they feel draconian, people have a hard time understanding. But what we`re seeing in India and the doctor was just saying, like, everyone is concerned about it right in this White House, because this race against the various says they`ve been putting it, they excited about the fact that we have been getting closer and closer to that bright light at the end of the tunnel has been put to me multiple times by members of the administration. And that is something that they`re constantly focused on. How can we make sure that`s happening? But then not just about America? There`s this kind of global vaccination effort that we as the as a country are going to have to engage in and possibly lead on. And that is also what we`ve seen.

You didn`t really see a lot of people talking about India until they got really bad. And then the administration promised to send vaccines, we`ve N95 masks and oxygen and things like that over there. And those are the kinds of things that people in that country and other countries are going to need as the various start popping up, because frankly, a lot of people around the country, around the planet in this country have let the guard down. You know, we have been dealing with this for more than a year, instant longer and other places around the world. And I think that part of it is concerning for health experts that I`ve been talking to and the administration outside out of it.

WILLIAMS: I hope we`re loading C17 with all the vaccines and oxygen. We, as a nation can spare. And Dr. Patel, if all that wasn`t scary enough, this is from Politico, Eugene`s employer, they write about Biden`s next pandemic challenge getting Americans to accept the virus, containment not eradication is the most realistic goal. Public health experts say the coronavirus is here for the long haul. The challenge for Biden, his response team and state health officials will be managing the rolling series of outbreaks, possibly driven by more dangerous virus variants and, Doctor, indeed this comes off your last comments.

PATEL: Yeah, Brian, what we hope is that we go from a pandemic, what`s called an endemic, and we have this kind of containment so that we see the virus, you know, remember, this virus will do what it has to do to survive. And so while we have people who are unvaccinated, and as the virus mutates, that will be our challenge, it will mean that just like with the flu, just like with measles, Brian, we still have cases, we don`t get front page headline news every day about them. And I think the American public is going to have kind of a psychological reaction. What is the appropriate number of COVID cases and deaths and hospitalizations that we`re willing to tolerate? When will we feel comfortable even with CDC guidance, Brian, to have kind of, "normal activities," it`s going to be a very difficult transition it already is, as you`re seeing from the outside mask kind of debate that happened this less than a week.

So I do think this is Biden`s challenge. I think it`s why he`s had to have an has shown incredible discipline, I think where things are going to potentially be out of his control, or exactly what happens beyond our borders, he can`t control it. But now we`re going to have to be a leader in helping other countries, Africa has all of the places that have very little infrastructure, their success will be large -- our success in containing this virus will be largely contingent on their ability to contain the virus. So it will be a challenge. Why I think Americans want to get used to whether it`s a booster vaccine, or some sort of regular COVID vaccine of programs some type. That is what our near future looks like.

WILLIAMS: Jeremy, I`ve saved the last word for you, you and your longtime boss, longtime friend and colleague, Leon Panetta, have written a piece in defense one together, it is about a big upcoming anniversary for our country. Share with our viewers the lessons from what you`ve written?

BASH: Well, 10 years ago, on this very weekend, Brian, special operations teams were preparing to raid the compound where bin Laden was hiding. And it was enormous victory for the United States 10 years ago. And really, I think it showcased the value of teamwork, teamwork between the military and intelligence professionals who had to fuse their cultures and authorities to get along and work on this operation under a very tight timeline. But it was also teamwork between the executive branch and Congress between Democrats and Republicans. And when we entrusted the professionals to do the competent, technological and technocratic work of government, they got the job done. And I think it was an enormous victory for the United States.

And it also paved the way for the disintegration of al Qaeda so that we could pivot and focus on other threats like China and cyber attacks and global pandemics, things that are worrying us and challenging us at this hour. And so the last 10 years, Brian, you know, we`ve been able to observe every year an anniversary of the bin Laden operation, but now 10 years later, I think we can finally move on, we can bring our troops home from Afghanistan, and focus on the global threat landscape that we all have to face.

WILLIAMS: We`re much obliged to our big three guests on a Friday night after a long week, Jeremy Bash, Eugene Daniels, Dr. Kavita Patel, thank you all so much for starting us off.

Coming up for us, Republicans go deep on the culture wars as Democrats push ahead on policy. Two political veterans here is a weigh in on which strategy might went out?

And later, just this week he has rhapsodized about trains, vaccines, American manufacturing and government`s ability to lift people up. Just what are we seeing unfold in this still new Biden presidency, the celebrated presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin shares her thoughts with us tonight. All of it as the 11th Hour is just getting underway on this Friday evening.

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WILLIAMS: In his new interview with President Biden this week, our colleague Craig Melvin asked the President about what we heard from Republican Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, during his response time on Wednesday night.

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CRAIG MELVIN, MSNBC ANCHOR: I watched the rebuttal from the junior senator of South Carolina last night, Tim Scott, he said among other things, America isn`t racist. Is it?

BIDEN: No, I don`t think the American people are racist. But I think after 400 years, African Americans have been left in a position where they`re so far behind the eight ball in terms of education, health, in terms of opportunity. I don`t think America`s racist but I think the overhang from all of the Jim Crow and before that slavery have had a cost and we have to deal with it.

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WILLIAMS: Back with us again tonight, Brittany Packnett Cunningham, a veteran activist on matters of race, social justice, former member notably of President Obama`s 21st Century Policing Task Force. She is these days, the host of the podcast, undistracted and Matt K. Lewis, conservative commentator, writer, Senior Columnist for The Daily Beast.

Good evening and welcome to you both. Brittany, I got one for you. This is Kathleen Parker op-ed tonight in the Washington Post. It`s a Senator Scott and the Republican response and it reads thusly, "Scott leveled strong and smart criticisms at Biden`s agenda for the next four years. But you wouldn`t know it to read his critics on the left, the only black Republican in the Senate, Scott was quickly trending as Uncle Tim on Twitter, as a tool of white supremacists and as a blind servant of the far right. Liberals just cannot handle a black conservative. This, my friends, is also what racism looks like, in America today." Brittany, the floor is yours.

BRITTANY PACKNETT CUNNINGHAM, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: So Brian, I think that like so often two things are actually true, it was quite disturbing to see white people of all political stripes, think that they had the permission to call Tim Scott a racial slur, including and especially white people who consider themselves to be allies, accomplices and co-conspirators of the black community. Trust me, we got this. And frankly, white people on all sides of the aisle have plenty of work to do on their own to examine how they perpetuate systemic racism, and check all of the folks in their lives. So focus on that and make sure that you are comporting yourself in a way that actually proves that you`re an ally. So that is true. But what is also true is that when Tim Scott said last night, and what he has continued to do, has been deeply damaging.

Frankly, Brian, I wasn`t actually all that surprised by what I heard from that rebuttal. Because when we look at not just what Tim Scott has said, but what he`s done, this has always been who he`s been. He`s the lead negotiator for the GOP in the Senate, on the George Floyd justice in policing bill. And he has been working to protect qualified immunity for police officers. And he`s been working to stop the full banding of chokeholds. So the black senator who wants to allow the police to choke us to death, and then get away with it didn`t surprise me at all, because frankly, he stayed on script. So both of these things are true, it is as complicated as you think it is. And it is as offensive as you think it is.

WILLIAMS: So Matt, with Brittany, having established the senator`s bonafides, what is the chance that from the U.S. Senate, whatever group is doing the talking a piece of legislation on actual substantive police reform in a nation calling for it will emerge and get to Joe Biden`s desk?

MATT K. LEWIS, THE DAILY BEAST SENIOR COLUMNIST: Well, I`m going to be a little bit optimistic. I think that there is a chance that we get something obviously, you know, even Donald Trump was able to do something on criminal justice reform, obviously, we need to do police reform. And I would actually love to end qualified immunity. I think that if you ended qualified immunity, and if you were to end police unions, you could go a long way toward fixing the problem that we have. So I`m going to hold out some hope. I think there`s more chance that we could do that in bipartisan fashion then some of the other things on the Democrats agenda, this term.

WILLIAMS: And Matt, while I have you, your party is getting so much attention, rightfully and taking so much heat for all these initiatives in so many states that are restricting voter rights. DeSantis in Florida is days away from signing the next one. And let me ask you this way. Are you comfortable with the party doing anything that doesn`t make voting as easy as possible? This follows an election where there was no provable fraud, because the rap on it is the Republicans will lose on an even playing field?

LEWIS: I`m so torn on this, because you`re right the motive of doing that, there really is not a big motive, right. I mean, the election, the 2020 election was not stolen. And so on that count, I don`t understand the -- what is the impetus for doing this? I mean, I guess there is a little bit of a cause for doing it right. And in some cases, because you had things like drop boxes that were short term, instituted because of COVID. And now there has to be like a maybe a long-term solution of what to do going forward.

But my guess is that this Florida bill, as far as I can tell, kind of reminds me of the Georgia Bill. I think people are probably going to be outraged about it. Probably call it Jim Crow 2.0 at least the case with the Georgia Bill. I think that that was overwrought. I understand why people though, having gone through what we just went through with Donald Trump would be skeptical of Republicans trying to make any changes.

The last point I would make, though, is I think Donald Trump won this vote in Florida at least, right? And so, if in fact, Republicans are trying to limit the ability of minorities to vote and disenfranchise people, that would be a pretty stupid thing to do, and it very well could end up backfiring on them, right? Because, you know, again, Donald Trump did pretty well with Hispanics in Florida.

WILLIAMS: I can`t see Brittany. I assume she has been nodding all along. That certainly is Matt, what a number of people have been saying looking on at all these initiatives state by state across the country. I`m going to ask the indulgence of both of our guests, sneak in a quick break.

When we come back, perhaps you`re old enough to remember when Republicans railed about big government spending, of course that was before Dr. Seuss.

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WILLIAMS: Welcome back. So Rich Lowry of POLITICO is out with a new piece in POLITICO magazine that says Republicans have lost interest in fighting big spending and have instead become more focused on culture wars. He writes this in part quote, the culture-war issues hit close to the bone in a way that fiscal issues don`t. Conservatives worry about their free-speech rights getting trampled about schools distorting the minds of their children and about the country`s history getting redefined. And it`s hard to get them to care more about a balance sheet that may have deleterious consequences at some future date than those other more definitional questions.

Remaining with us are our guests Brittany Packnett Cunningham and Matt Lewis. And Matt, this goes to you and I owe, Brittany, response time coming out of it. This is bordering on obsession, is it though the politics of distraction?

LEWIS: I think this -- I`m going to put this on Donald Trump. Because, you know, 10 years ago, we were in a similar media environment that Republicans were obsessed with tea parties and budgets and all that.

Look, I think that culture war issues are important. Cancel culture, that`s an issue that concerns me. But I think that what`s happened is that Republicans have focused on it at the exclusion of everything else. And while we were worried about Dr. Seuss, Joe Biden came in and started rewriting the social contract in terms of the expectations of how citizens relate to the government.

That`s a big, big deal, right? It`s not just about good spending and debt and deficits and inflation, possibly, it`s about the idea about things like limited government. It speaks to this, you know, the Horatio Alger pull yourself up by the bootstraps, Ethos that once animated the American dream.

Republicans and Conservatives have essentially abandoned the entire idea of limited government and are chasing these like more sexy exciting "Fox News" stories. And I think this is actually just one of many areas where in the wake of Donald Trump Republicans have kind of just surrendered. What used to really be one-third of the conservative movement was fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, national security conservatives, one- third of it we don`t care about anymore, amazing.

WILLIAMS: Brittany, I didn`t mean to mistakenly imply your response, without hearing you out on Matt`s earlier point that and I`ll paraphrase it, that even in terms of marketing their brand, if you`re going to be the Republican Party that brags on how much your percentages were better in various minority communities, it makes little sense to decrease anyone`s ability to vote. So, you have the floor once again.

CUNNINGHAM: Well, I mean, this conversation on voting rights and this conversation on the culture war are deeply connected, because this attack on voting rights has little to do with the big lie, it has much more to do with those culture wars and with trying to maintain a level of GOP supremacy and power across this country.

I think the greatest example today of this culture war is the fact that all day across news channels and social media and podcast, people have been asking one question, is America racist? Which means that Tim Scott and the GOP have us right where they want us. They have us arguing with each other and fighting their culture war, instead of talking about how we`re going to solve our biggest problems. Look, is America racist? That question implies the indisputable facts about the existence and persistence of white supremacy and systemic racism in America is up for debate. And those facts are not up for debate.

My family certainly didn`t get those 40 acres and that mule. Plenty of cities like Flint still do not have their clean water. And black families are on track to have an average of zero wealth by 2053. You can look no further than the law that was just passed in Florida about voting rights to know that the racism and the systemic racism endemic in America is painstakingly true.

So, the question is not whether or not America is racist. The question is how much is America willing to invest in ending systemic racism? Tim Scott in the GOP would love for us not to focus on that question, because they think it`s too expensive. But if you ask the families of Asian folks in Atlanta, and black and brown folks who`ve been killed by police and the families of missing and murdered Indigenous women, I promise you, all of them will tell you that the cost of systemic racism is indeed what`s too high. And that`s the conversation we need to be having.

WILLIAMS: Brittany Packnett Cunningham with the last word. Our thanks to her and to Matt Lewis for staying up with us and joining us this Friday night, appreciate it folks, thank you very much.

Coming up for us, what number 46 has in common with 36. We will ask none other than Doris Kearns Goodwin when we come back.

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LYNDON JOHNSON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This nation has experienced a profound shock. And in this critical moment, it is our duty yours and mine as the government of the United States to do away with uncertainty and doubt and delay and to show that we are capable of decisive action.

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WILLIAMS: That`s indeed how it was done. LBJ just five days after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, he was later able to turn a national crisis into sweeping reforms. Our next guest points out President Biden has that same opportunity.

So back with us tonight is Doris Kearns Goodwin, presidential historian and author, recipient of the Pulitzer Prize for History. She`s written bestsellers about both Roosevelt`s, the Kennedy`s, LBJ, and Lincoln. For starters, her latest work is the very pertinent, "Leadership in Turbulent Times." Doris, it`s terrific to have you.

The argument, well, it`s been a debate after the speech that wasn`t a State of the Union isn`t whether it is the most liberal and far reaching and ambitious legislative agenda in 50 years. The argument has been, is it Johnsonian or Rooseveltian? So, we figured you`ve written about both men, one of them, you worked for a new well, Lyndon Johnson, what was it to you?

DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: No. It seems to me that there really is a comparison between the scope of the ambitions that LBJ had with the Great Society and the ambitions and aspirations that Biden recommended in his first joint session of Congress speech.

In both men, it seems to me came into a crisis. We forget the profound crisis that faced us after the assassination of JFK. The country had no idea where it was coming from. It could be Russia or Cuba. There was a sense of paralysis. And he made the decision to make the civil rights bill passage, his number one priority. And he goes to the Congress to talk about that.

And as advisers say you can`t do this. It`s much too bold. You`ll never get it passed the Senate filibuster. You`ll be a failed president. The currency of the presidency should not be spent on this. And he famously said, then what the hell is the presidency for?

And so, they`re both men of Congress. In fact, Biden said, I`m so glad to be back here. And LBJ said, on this Hill, that was my home. I am stirred by old friendships. They both waited their whole life for this. And they both exhibited in the first 100 days, unexpected boldness about the role of government. So, I think there`s a real comparison in the aspirations of these two men.

WILLIAMS: Johnson, of course, had something like a 36-seat majority, some incredible number to deal with. And it was obviously in the vacuum of LBJ - - of JFK`s death, it was a different matter for him to get passage of what he wanted. You have a theory on Senates of the past, Senators of the past, and why we see little or no crossing over in the modern era to go vote with the other side, if you agree that it`s good for the country.

GOODWIN: Yes. You look back at the makeup of the Senate in those days when LBJ was trying to get bipartisanship. And a great majority of the senators had been in the war, either in World War II or the Korean War. So, they were veterans. They were used to having that common purpose that allows you to cross lines.

I mean, he never could have gotten the filibuster broken were not for the Republicans, because the Democratic Party is split in two. So we needed the Minority Leader Everett Dirksen. And he goes to him, you know, he says, Everett you bring some Republicans on this bill with me. And you`re going to remember 200 years from now like Abraham Lincoln. It`ll be Abraham Lincoln and Everett Dirksen. But 22, Republicans crossed the line to join those 44 Democrats and break the filibuster.

So there was a sense of wanting to do something for your country. I mean it`s not just nostalgia that was solved back then. And that made it much easier to get it done. And then once he runs for office, as you point out, and he wins on the role of government, that`s really what his mandate was looking for in 1964. And he had done well with the civil rights bill. He`d also gotten a tax bill through incredibly, in that day, it was a tax cut. That`s what Liberals before, Conservatives were against it.

So we`d been successful in that first period of time. He wins the landslide election. And then as you say, of course, he`s got a big majority. But even then he knows the window of opportunity is small. So he better operate right away. And he says to all his White House dep., get off your asses. I may lose this quickly, when there`s a narrow window here. So we got to get everything through. And by God he did, Medicare, Medicaid, aid to education, housing reform, immigration reform, voting rights, NPR, PBS, permanent landmarks honor, but then he lost seats in the midterm election in `66. The war was escalated, and that narrow opportunity was gone.

So I think Biden has that same sense of urgency right now. Do what we can while we have it.

WILLIAMS: Final question. Is it up to you historians to remember the appeasers? And by that, I mean, what we`ve just witnessed from virus deniers to those who were with the insurrectionists, to those Republicans who have used their public office to push in public out loud, Russian talking points inside our institutions.

GOODWIN: I mean, absolutely. There`s no question when historians look back at this period, what happened on January 6th, what`s happening with the virus not having become a shared purpose, but people denying that the virus is even the virus? I mean, those are facts that are going to be looked at with great disfavor by historians many, many years from now.

I wish I were one of them, looking back on it and seeing that, finally, we came together. We were able to beat this virus and help other countries, just the way as he said the arsenal of democracy could become the arsenal of vaccines. That`s my dream, as we did in World War II. And maybe we can do again with other countries, helping our technological breakthroughs to be shared by them.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, I think there`s a news media role in keeping the collaborators front and center as much as they want to try to change the past and the narrative.

Our thanks to the historian and author Doris Kearns Goodwin, always a pleasure. Great to see you. Someday, again, it`ll be in person.

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The Cold War is Creeping Back The University News – The University News

It seems that the world is back to its good old Cold War shenanigans. Russia rapidly mobilizes its troops, the West and its allies scramble to ready what forces they can and Russia quickly withdraws those troops. This is precisely what happened near the Russo-Ukrainian border recently.

Russia sent a large number of troops to their border with Ukraine, which (understandably) alarmed the international community and sent it into a diplomatic frenzy. Russias excuse? The Russian Defense Minister said it was a snap drill to see if their military could defend the country. Ukraine is hardly a threat to Moscow when they are in a stalemate with Russia-backed separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine. Russias goal was to send a message. Prior to 2014, Ukraine had a president who maintained warm relations with Russia. In 2014, after violent protests, the then-President Yanukovych fled to Russia. Ever since then, Ukraine has sought closer relations with the transnational European Union and NATO, the American-led military alliance of Western countries.

Russia isnt the only country that has been testing its Western-aligned neighbors; China is doing the same in the Pacific. In recent years, China has ignored other countries territorial claims by building up islands across the entirety of the South China Sea. The most recent flashpoint in this conflict occurred near the Philippines after the Philippine Coast Guard found Chinese fishing boats in their waters, allegedly with militias on board. Chinese authorities denied this allegation, saying the boats were taking shelter from a storm. Territorial water disputes are nothing new to Southeast Asia. The South China Sea serves as an abundant source of fish and as a passageway for much of the worlds shipping. Tensions in the region ebb and flow over time as China targets one country to another, but they never completely go away.

The South China Sea is the most likely point of tension because almost all the countries in the region have competing territorial claims with each other. Aggressive clashes between countries are not uncommon; encounters range from ships following each other to ships ramming each other. It doesnt help that China claims the entire region based on maps from ancient times. With that logic, a quarter of the world would still be British territory, including parts of China. The Chinese Coast Guard has already been documented chasing fishing vessels away from areas that have traditionally been used. The ultimate goal of both China and Russia is to expand their territory so they are able to have a better international posture. Russia seized the Crimean peninsula in 2014, effectively cutting off the Ukrainian Navy from their own ships and ports. In the South China Sea, China has been creating artificial islands to build airfields and military bases on.

What inevitably comes with these shenanigans is panic. This includes, but is not limited to, countries regularly poking each other with bombs, general hysteria and demonization of an outside group and massive spending on defense. We will get into a weird culture war about how we are losing to them. We already are in the beginning of dumb culture wars to be honest, just tune into Fox News on any given day. In 1956, In God We Trust became the official motto of the country. It replaced the unofficial motto, E pluribus unum to counter the Godless Soviets. The motto change did little, however, to change how the country faced the Soviets. During WWI, anything that was remotely German was considered unpatriotic. Sauerkraut was renamed liberty cabbage and German language newspapers disappeared. The demonization of their heritage ended up convincing some German-Americans to later fight for Nazi Germany.

The difference between Russia, China and NATO-aligned countries is that leadership changes often in the West. In China and Russia, elections dont really happen. They are able to build out their game plan over a much longer period of time than democracies because they know that they will be in power for the foreseeable future. In the West, policy goals change with every election and subsequent new administration. There really is no solution to this dilemma other than to stare at each other and saber rattle, because, realistically, no one wants war. At least, not a direct war. Both sides will most likely support proxies that would be willing to fight over ocean territory because those proxies will also have interests in the territory, whether it be natural resources or simple pride. And so, the Cold War continues as the imperialist countries involved each sponsor a rooster in the coming cockfight. The notable difference between a cockfight and a real war, however, is that lives are at stake.

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How Will Sports React To Florida’s New Voting Law? – Sports Talk Florida

MLB pulled its All Star Game Out Of Georgia Because of a new voter law.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and the Florida legislature have not yet faced sports backlash after the state placed restrictions on voting by mail and ballot drop boxes. But DeSantis and Florida risk losing events like the Super Bowl in South Florida or Tampa or an NBA All-Star Game in Miami or Orlando, or the NHL All-Star Game in South Florida or Tampa or a Major League Baseball or a Major League Soccer All-Star Game. Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross gets big local government money if he scores a big event for his stadium, Ross could be a big loser here if his fellow owners decide to send a message to Florida politicos. Sports owners know who their future consumers are. They saw them in the streets in the summer of 2020 protesting. Major League Baseball pulled its July All-Star Game out of Cobb County after Georgia passed a more restrictive voter rights bill in April.

The National Collegiate Athletic Association, the Atlantic Coast Conference and the Southeastern Conference do business in Florida. The NCAA has boycotted states before because of political legislation. The NCAA did not stage any post season events in South Carolina and North Carolina in the past because of issues such as the flying of the Confederate flag at the South Carolinas capital grounds in Columbia and a bathroom transgender law in North Carolina. The Florida legislature also passed a transgender law that bans transgender women and girls from female sports teams at the high school and college levels. The NCAA never weighed in on the Georgia voters rights restrictions. Sports owners cannot afford to fight culture wars because young people are increasingly uninterested in culture wars and eventually will be the majority sports consumers.

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When The Times Didnt Print on Sundays – The New York Times

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Today, the Sunday print edition of The New York Times is a thick bundle of news and features, with enough information and diversions to while away the day. But it wasnt always this way. In fact, for the first 10 years of publication, The Times did not print a Sunday edition at all. The New-York Daily Times is published every morning, (Sunday excepted), read the first words of the first issue, on Sept. 18, 1851.

One of the biggest news stories imaginable would change that.

Many of the Sunday newspapers printed in the United States early in the 19th century were weekly editions. A daily Sunday paper filled with the news was not customary, and one big obstacle was the Christian Sabbath. Many worshipers did not want anything competing with the clergy, and new entries were often met with public backlash.

In New York, defenders of Sunday morals railed against anything that smacked of commerce. Vending, drinking establishments and especially trains large, loud and carrying the mail were frequent subjects of ire. Newspapers distracted the devoted. The Observer, The Sunday Courier and The Citizen of the World were three examples of early New York papers that had tried, and failed, to overcome the religious custom in New York, according to the book The Daily Newspaper in America by Alfred McClung Lee.

But in 1851, The Times was founded in a changing city. Sunday distribution was increasing, a trend since cheap dailies began appearing in American cities in the 1830s. The New York Herald had published a regular Sunday edition since 1841. According to Mr. Lee, James Gordon Bennett Sr., who founded The Herald, had learned from Bostons Sabbath rows in the 1820s that the American reader consumes most avidly that which he detests most blatantly.

More generally, Sunday mores were softening. For growing numbers of working class immigrants, Sunday was the only day off and spent socializing in festive public gatherings.

The Times supported the New York Sabbath Committee, a body of civic leaders and clergy members formed in 1857 to rescue Sunday morals and arrest particular forms of Sabbath desecration. That its core readership was upper class Anglo-Saxon society probably played a role. Alarm at fading religious mores appeared frequently in the early pages of The Times, which published letters with complaints about the clamor of trade and German lager houses operating on Sundays. It also reported on the fuss over boats using the Erie Canal on Sundays.

Since the Sabbath Committees first meeting on April 1, 1857, its doings were covered closely by The Times. One of the committees first moves was to write to the heads of the major railroads, through which traffic and travel and moral influences perpetually flow, about their Sunday passages in the city. Soon after (even before liquor), the committee went after the newsboys hawking papers. The Times reported that after an appeal by the committee to Sunday publishers failed to silence the vending, a police order had it suppressed.

The result of this action revealed the true power possessed by the Sunday press, for its course was condemned and the question settled that the Sabbath was a day that the strong arm of the law might keep sacred, read a Times article from a committee meeting in 1859.

If The Times, which was still edited by its co-founder Henry J. Raymond, was equivocating while more Sunday editions cropped up in New York, it wouldnt have to for much longer.

When South Carolina militia bombarded the U.S. Army at Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, the country, and newspapers, were changed. And the Sabbath taboo, which had already been weakening, was essentially shattered.

By April 18, with Fort Sumter fallen and war apparent, The Times had to explain to readers who found the paper delivered late and the news stands sold out that we can only urge in excuse that our recent surge in circulation has been far more rapid than we were prepared for.

Two days later, subscribers were told to expect a special Sunday edition the following day.

The culture wars would not fully dissipate during the Civil War. The New York Sabbath Committee regretted that the Battle of Bull Run was fought on a Sunday, and worried that a generation of young soldiers would forget piety. But the news was urgent the United States was cracking up and by the second Sunday after Fort Sumter, The Times committed to a Sunday edition during the war excitement. It even announced that special trains will run over the Hudson River and New-Haven Railroads on Sunday morning, for the newspaper accommodation of the people along the line.

Once readers were accustomed to Sunday editions, there was no going back.

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Defusing the culture war over masks outdoors – Columbia Journalism Review

Yesterday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued an update to their coronavirus masking guidance. Fully vaccinated people can now go maskless outdoors, apart from in crowds, and even people who arent fully vaccinated can exercise maskless outdoors alone or with their household. Everyone should continue to mask in indoor settings. President Biden announced the changes at an outdoor press conference. He walked up to the lectern masked; when a reporter asked what message he was trying to send, Biden grinned and said he wanted people to watch him take his mask off and not put it back on til he got inside. The update was anticipated, but it was nonetheless a big story, and there was no shortage of takes (and jokes) among journalists. If even one of you tries to write a Why I Miss Masks essay for The Atlantic, the journalist Laura Bassett warned, Im going to launch myself into the sun.

The need (or not) to wear masks outdoors has been a subject of media coverageand impassioned debatefor a while now. Last weekend, Shannon Palus, science editor at Slate, made the case that its time to end the practice, because evidence shows that being outdoors is very, very safe. Numerous medical experts agreed, but some readers vehemently did not; one Twitter user commented that Palus has blood on her hands. The debate continued yesterday on either side of the announcement. This is a good thing, Joe Scarborough said on MSNBCs Morning Joe, of the anticipated update, before turning to his co-host (and wife), Mika Brzezinski, and asking, That makes sense, right? Brzezinski replied that it does, but then added a caveat: I just think that also a lot of adults wearing masks is a good model for society right now when a lot of people are still not vaccinated and we want to be as careful as we can. Online, some journalists wondered how theyre supposed to tell which maskless passersby have been fully vaccinated and which havent, and said they would continue to wear masks outdoors, for reasons of signaling, safety, and ease. Others were more bullish; some experts even said that the CDCs update didnt go far enough. On his CNN show, Chris Cuomo pressed Andy Slavitt, a senior COVID adviser to Biden; given the low risk of outdoor transmission and the effectiveness of vaccines, Cuomo asked, why not let the vaccinated live their lives?

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Meanwhile, on the right, agitators have joined the debate by jumping in at the deepest end possible. On Monday night, Tucker Carlson, of Fox News, referred to people who wear masks outdoors as aggressors, and said that its our job to brush them back and restore the society we were born in. The next time you see someone in a mask on the sidewalk or the bike path, dont hesitate. Ask politely but firmly: Would you please take off your mask? Science shows there is no reason to wear it. Your mask is making me uncomfortable. We should do that, and we should keep doing it, until wearing a mask outdoors is roughly as socially accepted as lighting a Marlboro in an elevator. He wasnt done: making your children mask up outdoors, he said, should be illegal, and anyone who observes masked kids playing should call the police immediately. Contact child protective services. Keep calling until someone arrives. What youre seeing is abuse. Its child abuse, and youre morally obligated to try to prevent it. These comments, predictably, pitched the broader debate at a lower level of nuance, as some conservatives backed him up, while liberal commentators condemned him as a lunatic. Last night, also predictably, Carlson doubled down. The CDC has produced a new round of guidelines that are as indecipherable as a Turkish train schedule, he said. Next stop, Istanbul. Or is it Ankara?

This was merely the latest iteration of a media dynamic that weve seenand that Ive written aboutthroughout the pandemic: right-wing talking heads hijacking the naturally slow-moving, contentious development of science by taking the most absurd position imaginable and forcing those of us who care about reality into a reflexive defense of oversimplified truths, all covered under the flattening lens of the culture war. We saw this a year or so ago, when officials started to advise widespread masking, and, more recently, in the debate around vaccine passports, which some conservatives cast as Satanic Nazism. The more nuanced the debate, it seems, the wilder the right-wing claims about it. As the center of gravity on COVID restrictions has shifted toward more of a risk-mitigation approach, FiveThirtyEights Nate Silver noted yesterday, its telling that the fringes have also shifted toward more extreme positions.

As Ive written repeatedly, its always been important for the press to respect the messiness of scientific discovery. Its more so nowwith vaccination ramping up, the pandemic in the US is entering a new phase where the appropriateness of reinforcing blunt universal rules is being superseded, as I wrote recently, by much finer interpretations of personal and collective risk, and coverage has had to keep pace. Risk calculations involve science, of course, but they also centrally involve social science; the same goes for vaccine passports, with their attendant privacy and equity concerns, and, now, for outdoor masking. These are subjectiveand, to an increasing degreecultural questions. Of course, masks have long been cultural symbols, both in the US and overseas; its true, too, that traditional scientific vigilance around the virus should not let up. (A glance at India will tell you thatand as I wrote yesterday, that story is not a distant tragedy but part of a single global story that concerns us all.) Still, its possible to conceptualize a subtle shift in framing hereone that is less concerned with litigating the culture part of the culture war (its not culture, its science!), and more concerned with the war part. On his MSNBC show last night, Chris Hayes noted that when it comes to outdoor masking, the right-wingers are not really off-base on the science (with some caveats, of course). Rather, they are taking aim at the form of social solidarity that masks have come to represent.

Whether Carlson and his ilk believe their delusions or the whole thing is performance art doesnt really matter. (As Ive written before, obliterating the distinction between sincerity and trolling is a key, dangerous plank of present conservative discourse.) Either way, their continued mask hysteria underscores that the emphasis, for such people, has always been on the war partstaking out an extreme position, intellectual consistency be damned, and aggressively policing it to turn Americans against each other. The job, for the rest of us, is to create a less hostile climate where legitimately contentious cultural and scientific debates can thrive. The CDC changing its mask guidance isnt the final word on what public-health habits individuals and communities will choose to adopt going forwardthrough the end of pandemic, and, perhaps, beyond. If figuring it out involves Why I Miss Masks essays, then so be it.

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