Barack Obama sounds the alarm about Americas democratic erosion in a CNN interview with Anderson Cooper – Vox.com
As purple and red states pass voter suppression laws, Republicans grow more hostile to free and fair elections, and Congress remains unable to pass voting rights legislation, former President Barack Obama is sounding the alarm about the erosion of American democracy.
All of us, as citizens, have to recognize that the path towards an undemocratic America is not going to happen in just one bang. It happens in a series of steps, Obama told Anderson Cooper during an interview that aired on CNN on Monday evening.
Asked by Cooper if the January 6 insurrection and Republicans effort to delegitimize elections has led him to believe that our democracy is in crisis, Obama said hes concerned.
I think we have to worry when one of our major political parties is willing to embrace a way of thinking about our democracy that would be unrecognizable and unacceptable even five years ago or a decade ago, he said.
In an exchange with Cooper, Obama pointed out that democracy has fallen at the ballot box in other countries.
COOPER: Democracy does not always die in a military coup.
OBAMA: Yes.
COOPER: Democracy dies at the ballot box.
OBAMA: Thats exactly right.
And Vladimir Putin gets elected with a majority of Russian voters, but none of us would claim that thats the kind of democracy that we want.
These comments, coming from a former president, should serve as a wake-up call to anyone who thought Donald Trumps departure from the White House in January ended the existential threat to American democracy that crested with the January 6 insurrection.
Those threats remain: The 44th president is right that there are good reasons to worry, given that Republicans responded to Trumps defeat and the insurrection not with introspection, but by pushing an antidemocratic agenda aimed at making it even harder for them to lose elections in the future.
Obamas concerns come about a month after a FiveThirtyEight analysis of recent polling indicated that the GOPs big lies about the 2020 election namely, that a combination of election fraud and illegal changes to state voting laws resulted in Trump having the presidency stolen from him are having a corrosive impact, with 70 percent of Republicans wrongly believing President Joe Bidens victory over Trump was illegitimate.
And things arent likely to get better soon, as Trump is now back on the speech and cable news circuit pushing these lies at every opportunity.
And as Obama noted during his sit down with Cooper, state-level Republicans are responding to the big lie by writing legislation that warps the voting process, as Voxs Ian Millhiser recently explained:
Broadly speaking, there are two kinds of voter suppression laws. Many provisions currently being pushed by Republican state lawmakers make it harder to cast a ballot in a certain way such as by mailing in the ballot or placing it in a drop box. Or they place unnecessary procedural obstacles in the way of voters. These provisions often serve no purpose other than to make it more difficult to vote, but they also are not insurmountable obstacles.
Other provisions are more virulent. They might disqualify voters for no valid reason. Or allow partisan officials to refuse to certify an election, even if there are no legitimate questions about who won. Or make it so difficult for some voters, who are likely to vote for the party that is out of power, to cast their ballot that its nigh impossible for the incumbent party to lose.
Its that second type that appeared to worry Obama during his interview with Cooper.
When you look at some of the laws that are being passed at the state legislative level, where legislators are basically saying, were going to take away the certification of election processes from civil servants, you know, secretaries of state, people who are just counting ballots, and were going to put it in the hands of partisan legislatures, who may or may not decide that a states electoral votes should go to one person or another, and when thats all done against the backdrop of large numbers of Republicans having been convinced, wrongly, that there was something fishy about the last election, weve got a problem, he said.
In short, Obama is concerned that state-level Republicans are viewing election results as recommendations to be considered, not mandates from the people. And theyre using spurious claims of fraud and new laws to give themselves the ability to reject the will of the people next time it doesnt suit them.
Cooper mentioned Sarah Palins rise as a proto-Trump figure during the 2008 presidential campaign and asked Obama if he anticipated that spirits that have long been lurking on the edges of the Republican Party would ever get this dark.
Obama said he did not, then ticked through a brief history of how elected Republicans accommodated Trump at every turn and continue to do so even after he made a desperate attempt to overturn the result of an election he lost fair and square.
I thought that there were enough guardrails institutionally that even after Trump was elected that you would have the so-called Republican establishment who would say, Okay, you know, its a problem if the White House doesnt seem to be concerned about Russian meddling, or its a problem if we have a president who is saying that, you know, neo-Nazis marching in Charlottesville, there are good people on both sides. You know, thats a little bit beyond the pale.
... We did not see that Republican establishment say, Hold on, time out, thats not acceptable, thats not who we are, but rather be cowed into accepting it, and then finally culminating in January 6th, where what originally was, Oh, dont worry, this isnt going anywhere, were just letting Trump and others vent, and then suddenly you now have large portions of an elected Congress going along with the falsehood that there were problems with the election.
One could argue Obamas surprise at how dark the GOP has gotten is naive, especially considering Trumps rise within the party in 2011 and 12 was in large part the result of racist conspiracy theories he pushed about Obamas citizenship. And its long been the case that Republicans have used voter suppression laws for partisan advantage by making it harder for Democratic-leaning populations to vote.
But Obama suggested the difference these days is that very few elected Republicans have the courage to stand up to a Republican base poisoned by misinformation from right-wing media, and are more concerned about staying in office than they are standing up for democracy.
Suddenly, everybody was back in-line, Obama said, alluding to how some prominent Republicans such as House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy initially responded to the insurrection by speaking out against Trump before quickly circling the wagons around him. The reason for that is because the base believed [Trumps lies]. And the base believed it because this had been told to them not just by the president, but by the media that they watch.
While there may be no silver bullet solution to the corrosive polarization Obama described, he argued, as he often has, that trying to personally engage with people we disagree with can help reestablish a sense of shared national purpose.
It probably is not going to be done at the federal level. Its probably going to involve communities finding ways to rebuild that sense of neighborliness, working together, conversations, he said.
How does one build a sense of community with someone so deluded by right-wing propaganda that they buy evidence-free conspiracy theories about massive election fraud? Its a difficult question to deal with, but an urgent one especially given new federal voting rights legislation looks unlikely to pass before next years midterm elections.
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