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On Monday afternoon, Donald Trumps son Eric posted a tweet to his four million followers. Watching the plane... from the plane, he wrote, attaching a P.O.V. image from inside his fathers private jet, where a shiny-wood-panelled television was showing footage (from Fox News, natch) of the Trump-branded plane he was sitting on, readying for takeoff at the Palm Beach International Airport. Given the circumstances of the trip, Eric Trumps tweet felt a bit too Look, Dad, were on TV-gleeful, but he wasnt wrong to acknowledge the spectacle, which was only just beginning. This was a big day not just for the Trump family but for the entire nation: the first time in history that an American President had been called to face criminal charges. Trumps passage from Mar-a-Lago to Manhattan, an antiheros journey that traversed our countrys Eastern corridor, was feverishly followed by major news organizations and meticulously documented on the three Ts of social media: Twitter, Truth Social, and TikTok.

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Eric Trumps words also captured something else about his fathers indictment, which, despite its historic and political significance, also felt notable for its hall-of-mirrors-like quality. This may be Bidens America, but once again we were in Trump-land, a place that has long been defined by its seemingly endless simulacra: the constant loop of memes and clips and posts that come ever closer to replacing actual events as they are happening, making us into observers instead of conscious actors in a shared reality. In a sense, we were all watching the plane from the plane. And its hard to imagine that Trump wasnt at least a tiny bit thrilled by this return to the media spotlight, much like a fired reality-TV star who has been invited to make a guest appearance on a later season of a show. Rolling Stone reported that, although Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan District Attorney, offered Trump the possibility of a private arraignment on Zoom, the former President nonetheless chose a high-profile midday surrender to the court. As Warren Beatty once said, of his onetime girlfriend Madonna, She doesnt want to live off-camera.

For better or for worse (likely the latter), Trumps thirst for being watched has always been matched by our perhaps even greater thirst for watching. And so I was predictably sucked in, first by the aerial shots of Trumps motorcade making its way from his Mar-a-Lago estate to the airport in West Palm Beach, reminiscent, in speed and scale, of the O. J. Simpson white Bronco chase, and, in aesthetic, of a funeral procession, with its long line of black S.U.V.s. Then there was the Trump planes takeoff, paired with a CNN anchors solemn narration. As the former Presidents red-white-and-blue jet rose into the air, the anchor described Trumps return to New York as a homecoming unlike what he ever would have imagined or wanted, while still being one that hes doing and one that he is trying to make the most ofa phrasing that led me to imagine the former President squeezing in some shopping and lunch with the girls in SoHo after his visit to the Lower Manhattan courthouse. Meanwhile, outside Trump Tower, in midtown, where another motorcade would eventually drop Trump off for an overnight stay at his triplex, before picking him up again on Tuesday afternoon to take him to his arraignment, there seemed to be more press and lookie-loos than either MAGA supporters or #resistance liberals.

Were used to seeing the hubbub surrounding former Presidents, and in that respect Trumps arraignment, an event of pomp and bad circumstance, felt like Opposite Day. Armed with all the motorcades and private jets and Secret Service men in the world, he was returning to New York not to attend a state funeral, stump for a party mate, or open a Presidential library (as if) but to turn himself in to law enforcement. Then again, this was all perfectly in line with Trumps wild-and-woolly Opposite Day Presidential tenure, of which I was keenly reminded by the absolute freak show that awaited him at the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse on Tuesday.

George Santos outside the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse.

Though the press might still have outnumbered the protesters, there were plenty of demonstrators on both sides. The MAGA bunch was, predictably, more colorful. Reporters spotted a man wearing American-flag shortalls with no shirt; a guy in an I Love Jesus beanie carrying a placard identifying Braggs Jews (the onetime Trump henchman Michael Cohen, who testified against his former boss in front of the New York grand jury, among them); and a woman in a QAnon T-shirt and a jacket painted with the figure of Trump as an American-flag-waving toreador. There was a Trump impersonator with one of the worst wigs Ive ever seen, and a skirmish between a MAGA-hat-wearing bleached blonde and a gray-haired anti-Trump protester who looked like an extra from Portlandia. And then there were, of course, representatives George Santos and Marjorie Taylor Greene, perhaps the true dregs of the current G.O.P. (After she was driven away by protesters blaring whistles as she tried to speak into a megaphone, Greene gave an interview in which she compared Trumps plight to those of Nelson Mandela and Jesus Christ.) All the while, Trump was posting on Truth Social. Heading to Lower Manhattan, the Courthouse. Seems so SURREAL WOW, they are going to ARREST ME. Cant believe this is happening in America. MAGA!, he wrote, with a curious self-alienation, as if he, too, was not actually experiencing this predicament but watching it on TV (which, come to think of it, he probably was).

There were plenty of demonstrators on both sides, and the MAGA bunch was, predictably, more colorful.

Once Trump arrived at the courthouse, the footage became relatively sparse. Cable-news stations broadcast aerial videos of the former President exiting his car accompanied by security detail. No cameras were allowed in the courtroom, but five photographers were allowed to take still images of Trump entering and leaving, and social media pored over the same few shots of the former President, taken before and after he pleaded not guilty to thirty-four felony counts of falsifying business documents, in connection with a larger catch-and-kill scheme. According to my colleague Eric Lach, who was in the courtroom for the arraignment, Trump seemed, for once, cut down to size, as the judge informed him of the charges against him. The glum mug Trump showed in the pictures I sawa mute grimace unleavened by a regulation toothy grin or a double thumbs-up signsuggested as much. Even his hair seemed deflated. His suit collar was stained. (Derek Guy, a menswear guru on Twitter, noted that these may have been oil-based stains from cosmetics.) And yet, by the time he was back at Mar-a-Lago, to which he hightailed it in the Trump plane immediately after his moment in court, he seemed revived, making a speech in which he, predictably, decried Braggs case against him as a persecution. Making his way to the lectern as Lee Greenwoods God Bless the U.S.A. played, Trump smiled, waved, shook hands, and mugged for the many iPhones held aloft to capture him. Back where he belonged, he was ready, once again, to face the cameras.

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Donald Trumps Unhinged Reality Show Gets Another Season - The New Yorker

An independently wealthy Republican president is tossed out of office after a single term amid massive economic hardship and fears of political violence. There are rumors he was under surveillance or about to be arrested. Relentless, bitter, appalled at his Democratic successor, he stews in his elegant midtown Manhattan suite, plotting his next move. Except it was not Trump Tower but the Waldorf-Astoria and the ex-president was Herbert Hoover.

But in this case, history neither repeats itself nor rhymes. Hoover not only respected the presidency, he honored it in his post-presidency. When Franklin Roosevelt announced a bank holiday immediately after his inauguration, Hoover declared he should receive the whole-hearted support of every citizen. A decade later, when 100 million people in Europe were at risk of starving, Harry Truman enlisted Hoovers help managing post-war relief; together they probably saved more lives than any two figures of the 20th century.

Most ex-presidents enter post Oval life bearing scars and regrets. Some take up painting; some lean into atonement. We all have sorrows, as Jimmy Carter told me. Or as the prayer of confession puts it, presidents often leave office haunted by what they have done and what they left undone. The libraries, the foundations and philanthropies, even the memoirs, serve both as explanation and expiation, as their legacies settle and harden.

Illustration by Edel Rodriguez for TIME

Such public service, whether in the name of politics or penitence, has been more the rule than the exception of modern ex-presidents, and so it becomes one more norm that Donald Trump breaks as he enters his long expected season of legal accountability. That he would be the first president ever indicted is both historic and predictableas is the chance he also will be the second, third and even fourth, in multiple jurisdictions over myriad criminal charges.

The odds were never great that Trump would see his post presidency as a chance to serve the public good, having not seen the presidency that way. He never showed that he felt the weight of the office and its fateful duties; it was more a profit center, a platform for shakedowns and ego strokes. The post presidency is a platform for, as he put it, retribution. Plus, sales.

And this is the ongoing damage he does, the careless splashing of paint stripper on the majesty of the American presidency. His peers were not perfect; but few were vandals. Other presidents have tried to salvage campaigns, but none we know of with hush money to a porn star. Other ex-presidents exalt their faithful supportersbut not when they are serving time for insurrection. Other presidents have turned their stature into a revenue stream, giving speeches at six figures a pop; its a safe bet that none thought about merch featuring a mug shot.

Former President Donald Trump arrives at the Manhattan District Attorney's office on April 4, 2023.

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Which brings us to the deeper tragedy. For millions of people whove believed and supported Trump from the start, defending the rule of law requires defending him. Millions of voters are breaking norms too; if his campaign is telling the truth that the money flowed faster the minute Trump was indicted$4 million in the first 24 hours, a quarter from first time donors they saythen we get what we reward. He has gotten this far by tapping into needs and wants that long pre-date him. The networks running blanket coverage of baggage handlers and motorcades do so in response to perceived demand. They also help create that demand. The Republican lawmakers who know better yet make him a martyr make cynicism cringe.

As a measure of peoples loss of faith in institutions, in courts and judges and prosecutors, in fairness and process and equal justice for all, the entire spectacle is a crime scene. Presidents swear an oath to uphold the laws; former presidents are granted protections and privileges because they served and are in a position to serve in new ways, and in the past presidents have used that opportunity to do tremendous global good. The scandal of Donald Trumps passage through public life rests both in what he has done and what he has left undoneso much power to do good, deployed instead to divide and conquer.

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The Historicand Entirely PredictableIndictment of Donald Trump - TIME

Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto, left, shakes hands after handing over his nations accession document to United States Secretary of State Antony Blinken, right, during a meeting of NATO foreign ministers at NATO headquarters in Brussels, Tuesday, April 4, 2023.

Photo: Johanna Geron/AP

It would never have happened if Trump were still in the Oval Office, rather than sitting in a Manhattan courtroom facing felony charges in a tawdry case involving a porn star and the National Enquirer.

Trump has committed many crimes; in addition to those of which he was accused in New York on Tuesday, he may soon face charges in connection with at least three other criminal investigations.

But he never got a chance to follow through with his plans for what would have been his most historic crime: destroying NATO. Former aides say that he planned to do so in his second term but was denied the chance when he was defeated in the 2020 presidential election.

Instead, NATO is expanding in response to Russias invasion of Ukraine; Sweden, which has remained neutral for generations even during World War II is also seeking NATO membership.

Trumps indictment and Finlands accession to NATO both come just days after the 20thanniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the shadow of that grim and misbegotten war still hangs over American domestic politics and foreign policy.

Revulsion against the war in Iraq and the broader war on terror inadvertently helped lead many American voters to Donald Trump. The ultimate con man, he appealed to people who were eager to upend the status quo, both at home and abroad. Trump responded to that sentiment by pushing for the United States to get out of Afghanistan; his 2020 agreement with the Taliban ultimately led to the U.S. withdrawal by the Biden administration in 2021.

After decades of appearing to be a Cold War anachronism, NATO has reemerged as the key alliance in the world today.

But American withdrawal from NATO would have marked a tectonic geopolitical shift, just as Putins Russia was once again becoming a threat to Western democracy. After decades of appearing to be a Cold War anachronism, NATO has reemerged as the key alliance in the world today, providing crucial support to Ukraine as it seeks to defend itself against Russia.

But Trump was ready to junk NATO. John Bolton, Trumps national security adviser in 2018 and 2019, has said repeatedly that he is convinced that Trump would have withdrawn the United States from NATO if he had been reelected in 2020. Other former senior officials in Trumps administration, including John Kelly, who served as his chief of staff, have also said they were constantly worried that Trump would withdraw from NATO. That would have effectively destroyed the alliance, since the United States provides the bulk of NATOs military power.

Certainly, Putin was eager for Trump to do it; dismantling NATO would have served Putins ambition to rebuild Moscows empire. But Putins invasion of Ukraine has now backfired, convincing Finland and Sweden that they are safer in NATO than as neutral states. Polls showed that after Russia invaded Ukraine, 80 percent of Finnish voters supported joining NATO.

Finlands membership in NATO is particularly damaging for Russia. The two countries share an 800-mile border, and Finlands location on the Baltic Sea will make it easier for NATO to defend the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia, small NATO countries that Putin has repeatedly threatened. Thousands of Russian dissidents, including many Russian journalists, have fled to the Baltic states since Putins invasion of Ukraine and his crackdown on all forms of dissent in Russia.

With NATO supporting Ukraine, Russia has suffered an estimated 200,000 casualties since the war began. Putins only real hope is to hang on long enough for NATOs support for Kyiv to wane. That might require Republicans to keep rallying around the anti-NATO candidate, Donald Trump, as his legal troubles mount.

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When Finland Matters More Than Donald Trump - The Intercept

As youve no doubt heard by now, Donald Trump was charged on Tuesday with an astonishing 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. As The New York Times Maggie Haberman reported, not only did the ex-president look very unhappy as he walked into the courtroom,but he appeared as angry as he did after the Access Hollywood tape went public in October 2016. Why might Trump not have cartwheeled into the courtroom with a huge grin on his face, snapping his fingers, and blowing air kisses to the cameras? For one thing, Tuesday marked what was, effectively, the first time he had ever been truly held accountable for anything in his life. For another? Hes facing more than 100 years in prison.

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Reuters and others report that should Trump be found guilty of all 34 class E felonies, he could be sentenced to up to 136 years in prisonwhich, as one former president might tell you, is an incredibly yuge number of years. While a conviction is not a sure thing, and a sympathetic judge could go for the lower end of the sentencing guidelines, Trump, who is 76 years old, would obviously die in prison if he were to get the maximum time behind bars. Which that same former president we referenced earlier would definitely dub SAD!

If youre wondering: Only four states in America allow conjugal visits with ones spouse, and New York is one of them.

As Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg said on Tuesday, the governments case against Trump is not just about one payment. In addition to the $130,000 paid to Stormy Daniels in 2016, the DAs office cited multiple instances of Trump engaging in catch and kill schemes to bury damaging stories about him that were subsequently concealed through false business entries. Those included $150,000 to Playboy model Karen McDougal, who claimed to have had an affair with Trump, and $30,000 to a New York doorman whod claimed to have knowledge of a child Trump had out of wedlock.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to all 34 charges.

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Donald Trump Is Now FacingWait for It136 Years in Prison - Vanity Fair

This transcript was prepared by a transcription service. This version may not be in its final form and may be updated.

Kate Linebaugh: Early this morning, outside the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse, a crowd gathered. There were reporters, photographers, protesters.

Speaker 2: Can you guys stand back?

Kate Linebaugh: For the first time, a former US president was about to be arrested on criminal charges. Flanked by security, Donald Trump stepped out of his SUV.

Speaker 3: There is former President Trump waving.

Kate Linebaugh: He headed into the Manhattan District Attorney's office.

Speaker 4: So at this moment, at 1:24 PM Eastern Time, Donald J. Trump is under arrest.

Speaker 5: Yes, he is.

Kate Linebaugh: Trump was indicted by a Grand Jury last week. But in court today, the criminal charges against him finally became public, 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. The former president's plea, not guilty.Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Kate Linebaugh. It's Tuesday, April 4th. Coming up on the show, Indictment Number 71543-23, The People of the State of New York against Donald J. Trump.To understand the charges against Trump, we turn to someone who's lived and breathed this story for a very long time.

Joe Palazzolo: My name is Joe Palazzolo. I work on The Journal's investigations team.

Kate Linebaugh: And you're the reporter who broke the Stormy Daniels story?

Joe Palazzolo: One of the reporters, yes.

Kate Linebaugh: Okay, good. It's important to be precise. You are one of the reporters who broke the Stormy Daniels story.

Joe Palazzolo: That's right. Thank you.

Kate Linebaugh: Stormy Daniels is key to today's news. Daniels is an adult film actress. She first came on Joe's radar in 2016. Back then, Trump was running for president, and Joe and his colleagues heard that two women were alleging they'd had affairs with Trump and were going to go public. The first was Karen McDougal, a former Playboy model, and the second was Daniels.

Joe Palazzolo: And we knew that she had talked to some media and abruptly cutoff conversations. So we suspected that there was something funny going on, so we dug in.

Kate Linebaugh: And what did you find? What is the Stormy Daniels story?

Joe Palazzolo: The Stormy Daniels's story begins in 2006 at a celebrity golf tournament. According to Stormy Daniels, she met Donald Trump there and they had a sexual encounter. And then a decade later, when Donald Trump was running for president the first time, Stormy Daniels was trying to sell her story. Donald Trump's allies got wind of it and ultimately his lawyer at the time, Michael Cohen, paid her $130,000 to keep silent about the alleged sexual encounter.

Kate Linebaugh: Trump has denied having sexual encounters with both Daniels and McDougal, the Playboy model. What did it feel like to uncover this?

Joe Palazzolo: I mean, it was like a line in my head that I had to keep saying over and over, "The president's lawyer paid a porn star," just so I could get comfortable with the idea. And I guess I'm still not to this day because it's so sort of salacious and wild. I mean, the reason that we were interested in it wasn't because it involved a porn star, it was the money. The fact that there was a payment made to essentially keep someone quiet, to keep someone from saying something publicly that might impact Trump's campaign.

Kate Linebaugh: Joe and his colleagues published their story in January, 2018.

Speaker 7: Quite a story today in The Wall Street Journal. And I quote, Trump lawyer arranged $130,000 payment for adult film star's silence.

Speaker 8: What the Wall Street Journal's reporting this morning is at the private lawyer for Trump, Michael Cohen at the Trump Organization, set up a Delaware based private company and used a pseudonym to pay her essentially $130,000 in hush money.

Kate Linebaugh: The story got people's attention, including the attention of federal prosecutors. The US Attorney's office in Manhattan started investigating. They weren't focused on the alleged affair, they were focused on the money. The $130,000 that Michael Cohen paid out of his own pocket to Stormy Daniels. To federal prosecutors, it looked like a violation of campaign finance laws.

Joe Palazzolo: So the payoff to Stormy Daniels is the legal equivalent, according to prosecutors, of Michael Cohen basically just handing Trump's campaign $130,000. So if Cohen handed Trump $130,000 for his campaign, Trump would have to report that. But it's far, far more than federal law allows from an individual. And so in that sense, it was an illegal campaign contribution.

Kate Linebaugh: Okay. You're saying legally it is seen as a campaign finance violation. How so?

Joe Palazzolo: They were allegedly done in coordination with the campaign, specifically Donald Trump. And they were made for the purposes of influencing an election. That's according to prosecutors.

Kate Linebaugh: Federal prosecutors were also looking into a potential coverup. After Cohen paid Daniels, Trump reimbursed him. But prosecutors argued that the Trump organization disguised that reimbursement. They made it look like Cohen was being paid for legal work. In 2018, federal prosecutors charged Cohen.

Speaker 8: President Trump's former longtime attorney and fixer Michael Cohen pleading guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violation, tax fraud, and bank fraud.

Speaker 9: Cohen, a man who once said he would take a bullet for Donald Trump, stood before a federal judge and admitted he paid off two women for the principle purpose of influencing the 2016 presidential election.

Joe Palazzolo: Basically, he said Donald Trump directed him to pay Stormy Daniels. And again, there was just this moment in 2018 when he's in court and he stands up and he says that a candidate for office, being Donald Trump, told him to do this. So he's saying the president told him to commit a crime, to commit multiple crimes.

Kate Linebaugh: And how did Trump react to this?

Joe Palazzolo: His line is that he didn't do anything wrong. This was a legal agreement and my lawyer did it. And he's acknowledged that he reimbursed Cohen that much is known. But he has not said When he learned about the Stormy Daniels deal, when he learned she was shopping the story, when he learned about the payment. Michael Cohen says that he knew about it from day one and blessed it and instructed him to make it.

Kate Linebaugh: So Cohen was convicted and sentenced to prison in 2018 and it's only now that his boss is facing charges. What's behind that lag?

Joe Palazzolo: It's a really good question. When he pleaded guilty, Donald Trump was still president. And the Justice Department has long opined that a sitting president can't be indicted. So that covers through 2020. And then the US Attorney's office could have reopened the case after Trump left office, but it didn't. And instead the Manhattan District Attorney's office, so state prosecutors, picked up the case and they looked at the hush money payment for a long time. They looked at it so many times that it became known as the zombie case, and only this year was their Grand Jury impaneled to investigate it under Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg.

Speaker 10: The Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg will begin presenting evidence to a Grand Jury surrounding allegations that Donald Trump paid hush money to Stormy Daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Kate Linebaugh: Last week that Grand Jury indicted Trump, but the charges remained secret until today. That's next.

Alvin Bragg: Good afternoon. Thank you you for joining us here today.

Kate Linebaugh: That's Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg speaking to reporters after Trump's arraignment today.

Alvin Bragg: Earlier this afternoon, Donald Trump was arraigned on a New York Supreme Court indictment, returned by a Manhattan Grand Jury on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. Under New York State law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. That is exactly what this case is about.

Kate Linebaugh: Bragg's office released the indictment and a so-called statement of facts. Joe has been digging into them.

Joe Palazzolo: A statement of facts, it's the story. It's this story that you're telling and it helps provide context for the charges. And so the charges are kind of bare bones and the statement of facts is what Bragg's office has used to explain why in fact these charges are crimes. And the story that they're trying to tell is that Trump was part of this broad scheme with his allies to suppress negative news about him through a legal means in the run up to the 2016 presidential election. And as evidence, they have the Stormy Daniels payment, they have the payment to Karen McDougal.

Kate Linebaugh: And they point to a third payment, to a doorman at Trump Tower. According to prosecutors in 2015, this doorman alleged that Trump had a child out of wedlock. The doorman tried to sell the story to the National Enquirer, and prosecutors say that the National Enquirer bought the story as part of an arrangement with Trump and Cohen and then buried it. According to the statement of facts, the tabloid eventually concluded the doorman's story wasn't true. But Joe says it was the Stormy Daniels payoff that led to those 34 criminal charges and 34 counts seems like a lot.

Joe Palazzolo: Yeah, yeah. I mean it does. And they really add up. But just to step back a little bit, the plan, according to Michael Cohen and the statement of facts, the plan was to reimburse Michael Cohen in monthly increments of $35,000. And the indictment, like you said, 34 seems like a lot, but it's not a lot when you consider all the different records that were sort of created and allegedly falsified to make sure that no one knew the true purpose of this reimbursement plan. So you have the checks, the check stubs, how those are recorded, there's the invoices, how those are recorded. So when you combine all those, you come up with 34 instances of falsified records.

Kate Linebaugh: Did you learn anything today about when Trump knew about these payments?

Joe Palazzolo: No. I mean the statement of facts, again, it alleges kind of the same communications and meetings that we already knew about that we had already reported.

Kate Linebaugh: These are felony charges, but falsifying business records can also be a misdemeanor. How did prosecutors get to this felony level?

Joe Palazzolo: So just run of the mill accounting fraud is just a misdemeanor, but you can elevate it to a felony if the prosecutors show that records were falsified to conceal or to commit another crime. So in this case, Bragg's office is saying the records were falsified and they were falsified to conceal the payment to Stormy Daniels, which itself was a violation of campaign finance law.

Kate Linebaugh: Trump didn't make any statements as he left the court, but his lawyers did. They said the charges were quote, boiler plate and that it was a sad day for the country. So what happens from here?

Joe Palazzolo: Well, the first thing that's going to happen is that Trump's attorneys are going to vigorously litigate. And that means they're going to ask the judge overseeing the case to dismiss it. They're going to file motions. And the District Attorney's office is going to have to answer that. They're going to have to respond and defend these charges.

Kate Linebaugh: Already in the weeks leading up to the indictment, Trump has been attacking the case.

Joe Palazzolo: He's called the case a witch hunt. He's said it's politically motivated. Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney, is a Democrat. He's also said there's no way he can get a fair trial in New York, which of course is his native city. But many here no longer embrace him, if they ever did.

Kate Linebaugh: Do you have a sense of the kind of defense Trump's team is planning to make?

Joe Palazzolo: So his lawyers have previewed and Trump himself on social media have kind of previewed some of the arguments they plan to make. The most technical one, I guess is kind of a statute of limitations argument. So the statute of limitations is the time in which prosecutors can bring charges. They have an expiration date, and his lawyers say that these charges are long expired. Now on the other side, the DA's office is likely to argue that when Trump became president and he moved out of New York, the statute paused. So there's still a lot of time left for them to make this case.

Kate Linebaugh: And if it isn't dismissed and can go ahead, how long could it take to go to trial?

Joe Palazzolo: So if the case survives the expected motion to dismiss, you could have a situation where Trump is put on trial basically at the height of his presidential campaign.

Kate Linebaugh: So you have a former president campaigning to be reelected as president while also on trial for criminal charges.

Joe Palazzolo: Yeah, yeah, exactly. We keep saying things like historic and unprecedented, but everything from this point forward is going to be that.

Kate Linebaugh: If Trump were to be found guilty, what could that mean for him? Would he go to prison?

Joe Palazzolo: He could go to jail. The charges against him don't have any mandatory jail sentence though. So he may not, if he's convicted. And it's not really going to impact his candidacy. The US Constitution doesn't say anything about candidates who are convicted of felonies. It doesn't bar them from running for office.

Kate Linebaugh: Could there be other cases coming against Trump?

Joe Palazzolo: Yeah. So this is history. I mean, we're witnessing history here. But of the ongoing investigations of Donald Trump, this seems qualitatively the least of them. There are other cases. There's an investigation of Georgia of election interference. There's been reporting that Grand Jury is going to start hearing that soon. And then there are two federal investigations under the same special counsel, one of which is looking at the alleged mishandling of classified documents. And the other, which is looking at January 6th and Trump's efforts to overturn the election. So any of the three of those cases could potentially lead to charges.

Kate Linebaugh: Trump has denied wrongdoing in all these cases. He plans to give a speech from Mar-a-Lago later tonight.That's all for today, Tuesday, April 4th. The Journal is a co-production of Gimlet and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Rebecca Ballhaus, Jennifer Calfas, Ben Chapman, James Fanelli, Alyssa Lukpat, and Corinne Ramey.Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.

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