Elliot Grainge runs 10K Projects, a record label that counts hip-hop sensation Ice Spice among its recent successes.
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Last summer, over sushi at Nobu in Malibu, Elliot Grainge convinced the hottest rapper in the world to go into business with him.
Grainge, a 29-year-old Brit whose plummy accent belies the half of his life hes spent in the U.S., runs 10K Projects, an independent record label he founded fresh out of Northeastern University using a couple hundred grand hed made flipping an apartment in Boston.
The rapper was Ice Spice.
We spoke to her very honestly and said, Listen, we see what youre doing here, and we would like to pour gas on this flame, Grainge says now of the dinner with Ice Spice, whose song Munch (Feelin U) a deadpan kiss-off set to a minimal Bronx drill beat had just exploded on TikTok. The songs viral success had drawn interest from bigger, more established record companies, according to Grainge, including Interscope, Columbia and Republic, as well as Drakes OVO Sound. But I felt as though it wouldnt have been as cool for her at the time to sign to a huge major label, Grainge says.
His pro-indie spiel is a familiar one. In Grainges view, a major is a conveyor belt with 100 other priorities at any given moment; its slow to react and saddled with mediocre-at-best product-management departments, as he puts it. An indie, on the other hand, moves nimbly and with utmost respect for an artists vision. His pitch to Ice Spice, similar to ones made by countless earlier indie labels to countless earlier next-big-things: Youre the boss.
What distinguishes Grainges critique of the major-label system is that its coming from inside the house: Grainges father is Universal Music Group Chairman and Chief Executive Lucian Grainge, whose role leading the worlds largest record company has put him atop Billboards annual Power 100 list a record seven times.
In 2021, Lucian Grainge steered UMG whose slate of talent includes Taylor Swift, the Weeknd, Billie Eilish, Rihanna, Morgan Wallen, Lady Gaga, Blackpink and the Beatles toward becoming a publicly traded company; last month, after reporting 2022 revenues of more than $10 billion, the firm announced that it had extended the 63-year-old CEOs contract to 2028 with a one-time transition equity award of $100 million.
Yet the way Elliot Grainge sees it, In the last few years, the power of the major label has been completely decimated.
Grainge acknowledges that the majors UMG, Sony Music Entertainment and Warner Music Group, each with a variety of subsidiaries have enviably deep pockets to fund their acts endeavors. So essentially theyre a bank, he says on a recent afternoon at the sleek Beverly Grove home of Zach Friedman, 10Ks co-president along with Tony Talamo. But other than an upfront check and costs covered, I dont think an artist wants to sign to a major anymore, unless they want to be on the same roster as their icons, which is still a huge pull.
Discounting acts with what he calls built-in audience the Disney Channel veteran Olivia Rodrigo, for instance, or Harry Styles, who found fame as a member of the boy band One Direction Grainge says he struggles to think of a single new artist signed, developed and marketed from scratch to huge fanfare by a major label in the last three years.
He sits for a moment, his eyes staring out from behind his stylish designer glasses. Not one example, he says.
One dinner guest Grainge doesnt mention in recounting the evening at Nobu is Michelle Jubelirer, chair and CEO of UMGs Capitol Music Group, which provides distribution services to Grainges label and teamed directly with 10K to sign Ice Spice.
He didnt say that Capitol was at the dinner?! Jubelirer asks with a laugh when told this. That is fing amazing.
Like a real-life version of Kendall Roy on HBOs Succession, Grainge knows that his perception as a nepo baby to use the term popularized last year in a widely shared New York magazine feature about the children of celebrities who trade on their parents connections and fame to pursue similar careers obliges him to some extent to trash his fathers business. (In 2016, Lucian Grainge was knighted by Prince William, which means technically hes Sir Lucian.) How else to make a name for himself as something more than a rich kid engaged to be married to another rich kid in 24-year-old Sofia Richie, the model and influencer whos the youngest of Lionel Richies three children?
Even his dad gets it.
Its a very Elliot thing to say, Lucian Grainge writes in an email, responding to his sons take on the supposed decline of the major label. In fact, it sounds like something I would have said when I was his age. I guess according to [Elliots] logic, its a good thing weve got as many icons as we have and consistently attract more.
Sofia Richie, Elliot Grainge, Caroline Grainge and Lucian Grainge attend the celebration of the Queens Platinum Jubilee at the British Consulate in Los Angeles in June 2022.
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Elliots brashness isnt unfounded. In just seven years, Los Angeles-based 10K has released more than 30 singles that have been certified platinum, including Internet Moneys sing-songy trap hit Lemonade, which has more than a billion plays on Spotify, and Sunday Best by the breezy pop duo Surfaces, who count Elton John as a fan. Rapper Trippie Redd, one of the labels first signings, has scored seven Top 5 LPs and mixtapes. And not long after Munch took off, 23-year-old Ice Spice outdid that song with her appearance on Boys a Liar Pt. 2, a sprightly electro-pop tune by the British singer and producer PinkPantheress thats been hovering around the upper reaches of the Hot 100 for months. Last week, Ice Spice dropped a remix of her song Princess Diana featuring Nicki Minaj; the music video already has 15 million views on YouTube.
Those around Grainge say that 10Ks success is a testament to his shrewd use of data, his belief in the potency of social-media influencers and an old-fashioned ability to detect a hit before anyone else. Hes very smart, and he has great ears, says Jubelirer. Grainge himself would add that the wisest thing a record executive can do provided hes signed the right artist is to give the artist complete creative control.
I dont think theres ever gonna be a label exec or an A&R guy or a marketing guy who says, Go and sing this different, and pushes music forward, says Grainge, who rarely sits for interviews but spoke with The Times on several occasions over more than a year. No one was telling Picasso to paint the ear on the left-hand side.
That hands-off attitude along with what she said in her song Bikini Bottom was a $2-million check is part of what enticed Ice Spice to sign with 10K. (Both Grainge and Jubelirer decline to confirm what they paid the rapper.) Ive been pretty much doing whatever I want to do, Ice Spice says of her time so far on the label. I love that for me and for them too, because its been working.
Of course, the enormous commercial might of Wallens One Thing at a Time and SZAs SOS, to name the two biggest LPs of the year so far, suggests theres plenty of life left in the major-label approach. Ice Spices deal with 10K and Capitol gives the rapper access to the latters proven promotional expertise at Top 40 radio still a crucial engine, despite Grainges digital-first evangelizing, for the type of mainstream pop stardom no other 10K artist has achieved.
As much as I respect Elliots stance on the role of major labels, its not lost on me that weve recently begun a new era in the 10K and Capitol Music Group partnership, says Jubelirer. Ultimately, I think his criticisms of major labels are kind of a trope that every indie label has as part of their talking points and that they need to have as part of their talking points. I would too if I were running an indie.
Its theater, she adds of Grainges rhetoric. But clearly he knows the importance of a major label.
The last few years have seen something of a feeding frenzy among large music companies eager to snatch up buzzy indies known for creating viral hits. In February, the Atlanta rap label Quality Control, which launched the careers of Migos and Lil Baby, was acquired by Scooter Brauns Hybe America for an estimated $300 million; before that, Warner reportedly paid $400 million for 300 Entertainment, with a roster that includes Young Thug and Megan Thee Stallion, while Sony took a majority stake in Alamo Records, home to Lil Durk and Rod Wave, for an estimated $200 million.
Fred Davis, a partner at the financial advisory Raine Group who focuses on digital media and was involved in the sale of Quality Control, says theres no question that these kinds of deals will continue in the next five to 10 years thanks to the overall growth of the record business brought on by streaming. Its not hard to imagine that Grainge is trying to show potential buyers that, for all his tough talk, hes capable of operating within the major-label model hes been observing up close since he was young.
If Im playing devils advocate, I think there are a lot of positive things that the majors can do on an international basis in terms of plugging in their overseas infrastructure to help activate audiences for songs and for artists, Grainge says in a later interview, softening his initial chest-beating about indies versus majors. He adds that hes watched Warner Music with interest lately as the company has invested in so-called Web3 and other tech companies and allowed 300 to operate with the same fierce autonomy as they had before.
10K Projects Tony Talamo, Elliot Grainge and Zach Friedman.
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Grainge grew up in the U.K. in comfortable but trying circumstances: As his mother, Samantha Berg, was giving birth to him, she entered a coma as a result of an embolism and never recovered. (Berg died in 2007.) He points to two maternal figures in his life his aunt Stephanie and his fathers second wife, Caroline, whom Lucian Grainge married when Elliot was 8 but says his bond with his dad was indelibly shaped by their shared pain.
Ive yet to meet someone in my life whos had a similar experience with their childhood, so its difficult to self-analyze, he says. But I can tell you that we have a very unique relationship.
Says Lucian Grainge: Considering what weve been through together personally, in some ways hes like the twin brother I never had.
An awkward-looking British kid, per his own description, Elliot fell in love with Eminem at around age 10 (though the U.K. boy band Take That performed at his bar mitzvah); his fascination with American hip-hop an obsession he says he shares with every single English-speaking person who grew up in the 90s and 2000s made it easier to get on board when Lucian, soon to be appointed to the top spot at UMG, moved the family, including Elliots two half-sisters, to the U.S. in 2009.
Then again, I didnt drive at first, which was tough in Los Angeles pre-Uber if you wanted any form of social life outside of class, he says with a laugh. Yet not long after Grainge got to Northeastern, where he studied sociology and economics, he was wheeling and dealing on Bostons music scene, promoting shows by Berklee College of Music students at clubs around town under the name Strainge Sessions.
Eventually that became a label he called Strainge Entertainment until he was sued by the veteran rap artist Tech N9ne, who claimed Grainge was infringing on the trademark of his label, Strange Music. Unable to afford a legal fight, he says, Grainge settled with Tech N9ne and renamed his business 10K a nod to Malcolm Gladwells endlessly quoted adage about the number of hours required to achieve expertise in a given field.
We also worked out that 10,000 degrees is the maximum temperature that you can measure being as close to the sun as possible, Grainge says.
Back in L.A. after graduating, Grainge found early traction with songs by Iann Dior, who later hit No. 1 with his and 24kGoldns emo-rap Mood, and Tekashi 6ix9ine, the rapper and social-media fire-starter who in 2018 was sentenced to two years in prison after cooperating with federal prosecutors in a case involving his association with a violent street gang. (Grainge declines to say whether hes currently in business with 6ix9ine, who crashed back into headlines last month when he was attacked by several people in a South Florida gym.)
From the get-go, Grainge says, the idea for 10K was to use fine-grain data collected online to identify new artists with small but fervent audiences that could be quickly scaled up.
We could tell you about our research department, but then wed have to kill you, he says.
The explosion of TikTok at the beginning of the pandemic confirmed what Grainge and his co-presidents, Friedman and Talamo whose influencer-management company, Homemade Projects, became a part of 10K last year say they already knew by then: that the most efficient way to reach coveted Gen Z consumers was through influencers promoting songs in short-form videos.
We were doing this before anyone else, says Friedman, recalling their client Jacob Sartorius role in breaking DRAMs 2016 hip-hop hit Broccoli on the lip-sync app Musical.ly, which its owner, ByteDance, later rebranded as TikTok. Back then the major labels all thought it was stupid.
Fast forward a few years, Talamo adds, and its the only thing people spend money on.
Friedman, who calls 10K a digital marketing company inside a record label, echoes Grainges line about staying out of artists way: None of us play instruments. None of us produce. What we do is give artists the tools to take their platform and put it on steroids.
Were the best marketers in music, he adds matter-of-factly.
Yet the company also relies on a certain gut instinct for what songs will connect with millions of listeners. Taz Taylor of Internet Money says Grainge had to convince him that Lemonade would be a hit. And though Grainge immediately loved Arizona Zervas Roxanne the 2019 pop-rap smash he says Zervas played him in a meeting with 10K prior to Zervas signing with Sonys Columbia Records for a reported $10 million he decided to pass on the rapper after hearing more of his material, none of which has made a commercial dent.
That was the wrong deal for us, Grainge says. Writing a check to buy market share is not what we do. But it made 100% sense for them to do it.
Elliot Grainge and Sofia Richie attend the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony in 2022.
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10K has about 30 employees headquartered in Brentwood and no outside investors, according to Grainge. Remembering her first sit-down with the founder last year at Nobu, Ice Spice says she was impressed by the lack of red tape in Grainges decision-making, though Jubelirers presence at the dinner was also key. I love that Michelle is a woman, and a very powerful woman at that, she says. That attracted me because I never usually see women in her position.
Asked whether its reasonable to be amused by the ways in which hes tried to distinguish 10K from the sprawling worldwide company his father runs, Grainge says you have to consider the full picture of his familys history in music. His grandfather owned a record store; his uncle, Nigel Grainge, founded the indie label Ensign and discovered Sinead OConnor; his cousin, Nick Shymansky, managed Amy Winehouse early in her career. Before he took over at UMG, Lucian Grainge worked in A&R and music publishing.
So theres a true map of all the different sectors of the industry, he says, which Ive been fortunate enough to soak up the history of.
Grainge is aware that those family ties only deepen his music-biz nepo-baby reputation the latest in a line of successful second-generation execs that also includes Harry Styles and U2 manager Jeffrey Azoff, whose father Irving helped shepherd the Eagles to fame; Michael Ostin, son of the late Warner Bros. Records honcho Mo Ostin; and the Raine Groups Davis, whose father is the Arista Records founder Clive Davis.
Ive dealt with people in music who come from situations like Elliots, Taz Taylor says, and to a lot of them, this is just like racquetball on Wednesday.
Does the nepo-baby discourse get Grainge down?
Does the nepo-baby discourse get me down? he repeats slowly, then pauses. I try not to think about it, to be honest with you. But Ill take the bait: I understand that because of my name theres a target on my back. If we do well, its because of the connections. And if we dont do well if we fail then you could go, Well, theyre not as good as so-and-so.
But weve not done this once or twice as a company, he says, meaning make a hit record or get an artists career off the ground. Weve done it a dozen-plus times. Our hit rate is really good, and you cant fake that in business. The repeated success should dispel any notion that weve only been successful because of this reason.
Its an uncharacteristic moment of bravado for Grainge, who will happily dish about others but is more reserved when discussing himself; indeed, his general aversion to the oversharing endemic to social media Grainges verified Twitter account boasts exactly one tweet is a funny trait for someone preparing to marry a woman whose job is to narrativize her life.
You cant help who you fall in love with, he says with a shrug of Richie, whom hes known since he was young. (Count Lionel Richie as a proud member of the UMG family.) This month Sofia told her 8 million Instagram followers that shed converted to Judaism ahead of her and Grainges wedding, which to judge by photos shes posted appears set for this weekend in Europe. I really try and keep the profile as low as possible, Grainge says.
My happy place is with my girl on the couch binging a TV series where we argue about which episode were on, he says of nights at home with Richie, with whom he was reported last year to have spent $27 million on an estate in Brentwood. Grainge tallies a very limited number of very close friends, as he puts it, though his dads pal Allen Grubman, the powerful entertainment lawyer, says Elliots emotional intelligence was off the charts even as a kid.
And what of his long-term plans as an executive? Fred Davis says that, given the consistency of A&R success, Grainge could expect healthy bidding from all the major labels if he were to sell all or part of 10K.
Grainge says hes keeping his options open, whether we stay on and grow the label and keep it for decades or whether a partner comes in and helps us take it to the next level.
One person he wont be seeking advice from is his father, with whom he talks about everything Englands Arsenal soccer team, their favorite old records except the specifics of each of their two companies.
We separate it like church and state, Grainge says. Otherwise wed be agreeing or disagreeing on too much. Well talk about where the market is but never anything in detail of his business or my business. Weve never crossed that line.
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