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WASHINGTON Vice President Mike Pence twice refused to say that black lives matter during an interview on a Philadelphia television station on Friday, insisting instead that all lives matter in a very real sense.

Mr. Pence also claimed during the interview with 6ABC Action News that Americans had cherished the idea that everyone is created equal from the founding of this nation, an assertion that ignores the institution of slavery during the first 100 years of the countrys history.

The vice presidents comments came on Juneteenth, a holiday that commemorates the end of slavery in America. And he refused to specifically say that black lives matter at a time when the country is convulsing in outrage about racial injustice at the hands of the police following George Floyds death in Minneapolis last month.

President Trump has been under fire for weeks for his response to protests in cities across the nation in the wake of Mr. Floyds death. His tweets calling for aggressive action by the police to quell violence have angered activists. And earlier this month, his administration ordered the police to clear protesters from streets near the White House before Mr. Trump held a photo op at a church.

In the interview, Mr. Pence called Mr. Floyds death a tragedy, but his insistence that all lives matter is likely to be seen as a provocation by activists and others who say that phrase dilutes the issue and fails to acknowledge the specific threats that African-Americans still face at the hands of police officers in the United States.

Brian Taff, the news anchor, pressed Mr. Pence on that point: People are saying, of course all lives matter, but to say the words is an acknowledgment that black lives also matter at a time in this country when it appears that theres a segment of our society that doesnt agree. So why will you not say those words?

The vice president said he did not accept that theres a segment of American society that disagrees, in the preciousness and importance of every human life. He again refused to say that black lives matter.

And yet, one final time, you wont say the words and we understand your explanation, Mr. Taff said.

Mr. Pence is due to arrive on Saturday in Tulsa, Okla., to join Mr. Trump for a Make America Great Again! rally that evening. Tulsa was the site of one of the nations worst examples of racial violence when a white mob laid siege to a prosperous black neighborhood, killing hundreds of people in 1921.

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President Trump's comments at a weekend campaign rally in Oklahoma aboutslowing down testingfor coronavirus were just "a passing observation," Vice President Mike Pence told the nation's governors on Monday.

The president has been widely criticized for seeming to dismiss the importance of testing for COVID-19, especially at rates of infections continue to climb nationwide. Late Saturday after the president's rally, a White House official told CBS News that the president's comments were "in jest."

On Monday, Pence clarified the president's comments about testing under questioning by Nevada Democratic Governor Steve Sisolak, who sought assurance that state and federal leaders would stay on the same page about the importance of testing for COVID-19. Sisolak called the president's comments "not helpful" but neither he nor Pence referred to them as a joke, according to audio of the call obtained by CBS News.

"The president's comments on Saturday night as it related to his order to slow down the testing were certainly not helpful," Sisolak told Pence. "We're doing everything we can in Nevada to increase our testing, to increase the availability of the testing and our cases have gone up. It's not solely a result of more testing, it's also a result of people not wearing masks and not following the social protocols. So, if we could all get on the same page and get a commitment that there's not a federal mandate to slow down testing I think it would be extremely helpful."

Pence told Sisolak the administration is "going to continue to partner with you on testing I think the president's observation was a passing observation in his remarks. But we are seeing that now that we're doing more than 500,000 tests a day, we are finding more people. That has contributed to some of our numbers. So, I'd just say to you and all the governors on the call, as the media has focused on the new cases number, that we all would explain the percentage of that is reflective of an extraordinary national success in testing and that we are identifying people. And that that is a reflection of a great, great collaboration at the federal, state level, as well as with our private sector."

Multiple people listening to Monday's regularly scheduled conference call with governors shared highlights and audio of the meeting with CBS News.

On Saturday night in Tulsa, Mr. Trump called increased testing for coronavirus "a double-edged sword."

"Here's the bad part when you do testing to that extent, you're going to find more people; you're going to find more cases," Trump told the roughly 6,200 people in attendance. "So I said to my people, slow the testing down please."

In a statement after the call on Monday, Sisolak said testing "is a critical component to Nevada's Roadmap to Recovery reopening plan, and the state has made great strides to make testing available to everyone, regardless of whether they are exhibiting symptoms or not. Increased testing helps determine the spread of the virus in the community and gives state and local public health operations critical information to pursue aggressive measures to help monitor and respond to outbreaks."

Pence also told the governors that the Trump administration remains focused on rising cases in nine states, with the situation stable in the other 41, and he told the governors that medical officials are seeing a growing trend of more people under age 45 testing positive for coronavirus.

"We are seeing steady progress in the vast majority of states," Pence told the governors, according to one person listening in on the call.

During the call, Pence also called on Republican governors from Florida, Texas and Arizona to explain how they're handling a sharp rise in infection in their states. Pence and other officials on the call especially praised Florida Republican Governor Ron DeSantis for his management of a record number of infections in the Sunshine State. DeSantis reiterated what he has said publicly that increased testing among younger, asymptomatic people is driving the rate of infection.

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President Donald Trump is receiving criticism for his decision to restart in-person, indoor rallies with an event in Tulsa on June 20. During a White House roundtable on June 15, Vice President Mike Pence defended Trumps decision by praising Oklahomas response to the coronavirus pandemic.

At a discussion of issues affecting older Americans, Pence said, "The president and I have both spoken to (Oklahoma) Gov. Kevin Stitt in the last several days and even earlier today. And Oklahoma has really been in the forefront of our efforts to slow the spread. And in a very real sense, they've flattened the curve. And today, their hospital capacity is abundant. The number of cases in Oklahoma it's declined precipitously, and we feel very confident going forward with the rally this coming weekend."

However, Pences remarks represent an unduly optimistic reading of Oklahomas actual coronavirus data. (The Trump campaign and the White House did not respond to inquiries.)

The state opened some businesses on April 24 and others on May 1.

We looked at the raw data for Oklahoma from the Covid Tracking Project. The following chart shows both the daily number of new, confirmed cases in Oklahoma and the seven-day rolling average, which smooths out day-to-day variations in the data. (For instance, weekends often show artificially low totals because offices are closed.)

The strongest evidence for Pences characterization comes in the early part of the period. From early March to early April, the daily case count skyrocketed, but then it eased and remained more or less in check through the end of May.

This fits the pattern of "flattening the curve," a term that gained currency early in the pandemic to describe a hoped-for phenomenon by which Americans would stay at home to stop the virus spread, thus keeping new infections from overwhelming the hospital system.

However, Pence overstated the case.

First, its incorrect to say that infections in Oklahoma "declined precipitously." As the chart shows, it was, at best, a modest decline between early April and the end of May. It could be more accurately described as a plateau.

Second, any "flattening the curve" period is old news. Over the most recent week, the number of new cases has increased every day and produced a spike beyond anything previously seen in Oklahoma. The seven-day rolling average for new infections is now more than double where it stood at the end of May, just before the spike began.

"It looks from the data that the number of cases is on the rise, and rising quite steeply," said Nicole Gatto, associate professor in the School of Community and Global Health at Claremont Graduate University.

Tara C. Smith, a professor of epidemiology at Kent State University, agreed.

"The seven-day average doesn't look great for the most recent part of June," Smith said. "They had slowed new cases for a while, but the trend now seems to be reversing."

Equally important, the recent spike does not appear to be traceable to a big surge in testing. Heres a chart of the seven-day rolling average of daily tests in Oklahoma:

The number of tests conducted has generally risen over time. But the number of tests actually fell during the period when the number of new infections was spiking.

Our ruling

Pence said, "In a very real sense, (Oklahoma has) flattened the curve. ... The number of cases in Oklahoma it's declined precipitously."

This observation is outdated and inaccurate. In June, Oklahomas daily caseload has risen consistently, and to levels higher than at any point in the pandemic.

We rate the statement False.

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Vice President Mike Pence arrives at a campaign rally at the BOK Center, June 20, 2020 in Tulsa, Oklahoma. (Win McNamee/Getty Images)

Vice president Mike Pence has reacted pretty much exactly as youd expect to the Supreme Court ruling that you cant just fire people for being gay anymore.

Pence, known for his hardline anti-LGBT+ beliefs, has been core to efforts to roll back equality under the Trump administration.

But his work hit a stumbling block last Monday, when the Supreme Court ruled that existing civil rights laws which outlaw discrimination based on sex can be used to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

Pence addressed the ruling at a rally in Tulsa on Saturday night vowing to stack the courts with even more conservatives if Trump is re-elected for a second term.

He told the rally: Joe Biden is making plans to appoint activist judges who will legislate from the bench, but next week, president Trump will appoint his 200th judge to our federal courts, all conservative jurists who are upholding the God-given liberties enshrined in our constitution, like the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion, and the second amendment right to keep and bear arms.

With four more years, this president will appoint even more judges. And like we learned this past week, we need more conservative justices on the Supreme Court of the United States.

Last week, president Trump appeared unaware that his own administration had intervened in the case to argue that the Civil Rights Act does not apply to LGBT+ people.

Asked about the case, Trump said that the Trump administration would live with the decision of the Supreme Court.

However in a subsequent Twitter storm he raged about a stream of losses at the Supreme Court which also slapped down a Trump administration challenge to the DACA immigration program.

Trump wrote: The recent Supreme Court decisions, not only on DACA, sanctuary cities, census, and others, tell you only one thing, we need NEW JUSTICES of the Supreme Court.

If the radical left Democrats assume power, your second amendment, right to life, secure borders, and religious liberty, among many other things, are OVER and GONE!

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Whats all this talk about a second wave of U.S. coronavirus cases?

In The Wall Street Journal last week, Vice President Mike Pence wrote in a piece headlined There Isnt a Coronavirus Second Wave that the nation is winning the fight against the virus.

Many public health experts, however, suggest its no time to celebrate. About 120,000 Americans have died from the new virus and daily counts of new cases in the U.S. are the highest theyve been in more than a month, driven by alarming recent increases in the South and West.

But there is at least one point of agreement: Second wave is probably the wrong term to describe whats happening.

When you have 20,000-plus infections per day, how can you talk about a second wave? said Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health. Were in the first wave. Lets get out of the first wave before you have a second wave.

Clearly there was an initial infection peak in April as cases exploded in New York City. After schools and businesses were closed across the country, the rate of new cases dropped somewhat.

But its more of a plateau, or a mesa, not the trough after a wave, said Caitlin Rivers, a disease researcher at Johns Hopkins Universitys Center for Health Security.

Scientists generally agree the nation is still in its first wave of coronavirus infections, albeit one thats dipping in some parts of the country while rising in others.

This virus is spreading around the United States and hitting different places with different intensity at different times, said Dr. Richard Besser, chief executive of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation who was acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention when a pandemic flu hit the U.S. in 2009.

Dr. Arnold Monto, a University of Michigan flu expert, echoed that sentiment.

What I would call this is continued transmission with flare-ups, he said.

Flu seasons sometimes feature a second wave of infections. But in those cases, the second wave is a distinct new surge in cases from a strain of flu that is different than the strain that caused earlier illnesses.

Thats not the case in the coronavirus epidemic.

Monto doesnt think second wave really describes whats happening now, calling it totally semantics.

Second waves are basically in the eye of the beholder, he said.

But Besser said semantics matter, because saying a first wave has passed may give people a false sense that the worst is over.

Some worry a large wave of coronavirus might occur this fall or winter after schools reopen, the weather turns colder and less humid, and people huddle inside more. That would follow seasonal patterns seen with flu and other respiratory viruses. And such a fall wave could be very bad, given that theres no vaccine or experts think most Americans havent had the virus.

But the new coronavirus so far has been spreading more episodically and sporadically than flu, and it may not follow the same playbook.

Its very difficult to make a prediction, Rivers said. We dont know the degree to which this virus is seasonal, if at all.

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AP medical writer Lauran Neergaard contributed to this report.

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