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There is no alternative to socialism – The Daily Star

May 19, 1972

AID MUST BE WITHOUT STRINGS

Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman today declares that Bangladesh needs help from friendly countries but such assistance must be without any strings attached. Speaking at the inaugural session of the convention of National Awami Party (Muzaffar) the prime minister says that they cannot accept any aid belittling of the country's independence.

Bangabandhu further says that economic independence can only be achieved by adopting a socialist economic system. There is no alternative to socialism to save the people of the country, he adds. He urges the members of the NAP and Communist Party to cooperate with the government to build socialism in the country.

Referring to the nationalisation of banks and industries, the prime minister says the government will not allow private ownership of these important national institutions because once it is allowed it becomes really difficult to get rid of such an exploitative system.

The prime minister assures that the government will take serious action against hoarders, smugglers and criminals.

GOVT INITIATIVE TO BRING NAZRUL TO BANGLADESH

The government has taken an initiative to bring rebel poet Kazi Nazrul Islam, along with his family members, to Bangladesh. Earlier, the poet's family accepted the government's invitation to shift to Bangladesh. This year, the poet's birthday will be observed nationally in his gracious presence.

TK 10 CRORE MORE FOR TEST RELIEF

The government will allocate Tk 10 crore more for test relief, informs Relief and Rehabilitation Minister AHM Kamaruzzaman. Earlier, the government undertook test relief programme worth Tk 16 crore under which new roads were built and canals were dug in rural areas. These public works created employment for a large number of jobless people, says the minister. Referring to the food situation the Minister says that the government is trying its best to reach food-scarce regions. He assures that the food situation will improve significantly soon after arrival of food aid from various nations. India tops the list in terms of providing food aid to Bangladesh, followed by the US and the Soviet Union, shares the minister.

SOURCE: May 20, 1972 issue of Dainik Bangla

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No, We Don’t Want a War Economy to Deal With the Pandemic – Jacobin magazine

By some accounts, Western leaders have beaten the Left at its own game. A Conservative British prime minister has come around to enacting half of Labours demonized 2019 manifesto. Trump is intervening directly in the production decisions of large US corporations. And the center-right government of the largest German state is providing free food and drink for staff in all hospitals, care homes, and similar institutions.

Once again, establishment media have reason to proclaim that we are all socialists now, as Newsweek magazine did after Obamas $787 billion stimulus package passed Congress at the height of the financial crisis in early 2009. A few months before that famous Newsweek cover, Venezuelan president Hugo Chvez had already mocked comrade Bush for being to the left of me now after announcing plans to invest heavily in large US banks in an attempt to stabilize them.

Then, as now, the intention behind throwing neoliberal dogma overboard is clear: capitalism has to be saved, by any means necessary. To avert socialism, we must briefly become socialists, a senior editor of conservative British newspaper The Times asserted in late March. But what kind of socialism is used to save capitalism from itself and what does its co-optation mean for us?

For some from the editors of the Financial Times to Spanish prime minister Pedro Snchez this is a war economy. And this historical reference is an apt one. When they focused national resources on waging World War I, major European governments took control of key industrial plants, the labor market, food prices, and even rents steps that stood in stark contrast to their previous laissez-faire attitude toward the decisions of private capitalists.

Even at the time, some left-wing observers regarded these instances of state planning and redistribution as heralding the imminent progress toward full socialism. Writing in 1915, the earliest proponent of this theory of war socialism, the Social-Democrat Paul Lensch emphasized the egalitarian core of the German states effort to provide food security to the whole population. It turned out, however, that what looked like the seeds of a postcapitalist transformation did not by itself produce a successful revolution in Western Europe.

The term war socialism soon came to be used interchangeably with the concept of an economy that seeks to safeguard military supplies and the power of the political elite while also minimizing worker unrest. Yet this is but a caricature of socialism for it serves the interest of eventually restoring capitalisms normal functioning. British prime ministers Lloyd George and Churchill, and US presidents Wilson and Roosevelt, were temporarily inspired by something resembling the popular image of socialism as public ownership, self-sufficiency, and collective responsibility.

Despite the overall aim of preserving the status quo, these makeshift socialist programs did carry some risks for the anticipated return to capitalist normality. Roosevelts promise of economic democracy let the genie of egalitarianism out of the bottle to win the war, and it would be difficult to put back in, as historian Quinn Slobodian has noted. When war-related industries were ramped down and some price controls lifted in 1945, millions of striking workers in the United States demanded a greater share of the countrys wealth.

In Europe, postwar governments were inspired by the successes of wartime state planning and nationalization in their attempts to rebuild all manner of infrastructure and social services. But with the strike wave receding and key trade union tactics outlawed in the United States and orthodox economic planning largely treated as the end point of socioeconomic transformation in Europe the existential threat to the post-1945 reboot of capitalism evaporated.

There are two important lessons we can draw from todays war socialism. First, as much as the Left has succeeded in changing the discourse on austerity, deprivation, and the welfare state in the UK, the United States, and many other parts of the world, we should be careful not to celebrate the introduction of seemingly socialist policies now. As in the past, these measures are being introduced with the specific purpose of maintaining, rather than overcoming, the inequalities of the status quo.

Lacking adequate policies of his own, Boris Johnson in the UK has appropriated parts of Jeremy Corbyns radical platform most obviously by subsidizing the wages of those at risk of losing their jobs and by renationalizing the railways. Something similar is happening in the United States, with the Trump administration planning to pay for the COVID-19 treatment of the uninsured and considering public ownership of large US tech firms. But Merkel, Macron, Johnson, and Trump are all pursuing the same goals as other war socialists have before them: to mobilize the population for the all-encompassing task of weathering the emergency and the inevitable economic shock that is to come, and to guarantee a postcrisis return to ordinary capitalist exploitation.

Just as in previous iterations, todays war socialism feeds on caricatural versions of what socialism might look like and fails to come anywhere near them. One such caricature appears in the memes shared by Andrew Yangs fan base: when the sun sets in Yangland, robots will do all the work for us and every adult will get $1,000 per month to spend on whatever she desires. And indeed, in the time of COVID-19 the old idea of a universal basic income (UBI) is gaining considerable traction. The center-left Spanish government is moving fast to implement existing plans for something close to a basic income, and many US citizens and green card holders have received a onetime payment of $1,200 that has been compared to Yangs proposals.

At first glance, these measures flatten vast wealth inequalities more effectively than the wage guarantees given by several Western and Southeast Asian states. However, the Spanish and US versions of a basic income also illustrate its limits. The monthly sums mooted in Spain seem too low to live on, and contrary to initial plans it appears as if only those below a certain income threshold will be eligible. In the United States, the main shortcoming of the onetime stimulus check is that it is not universal after all: millions of non-US citizens without certain visas as well as dependents such as college students will not receive the cash payment.

Another socialist clich that currently seems to inspire governments battling the pandemic is the mobilization of a militant working class in the service of the common good. In the UK, hundreds of thousands responded within days to a government call for volunteers to help out in the (dramatically underfunded) British health and social care system. Smaller-scale efforts to recruit both trained and untrained volunteers have been made by the French, Italian, and German governments, among others.

And yet, since untrained volunteers are not being paid, those who are relatively privileged are much more likely to volunteer than those, often in marginalized social positions, who live from paycheck to paycheck and/or have caring responsibilities. Even volunteer nurses and doctors cannot be sure they will be adequately paid under these programs. What is more, anecdotal reports are piling up that suggest the UKs volunteer program may largely be a PR stunt, perhaps even coupled with the intent to collect data. This remains to be seen, but self-organized mutual aid groups are certainly shouldering the lions share of providing such help for the sick and elderly in the UK desperately trying to make up for gross governmental negligence.

For political and economic elites, this inability to realize even overly simplistic versions of socialism is a virtue. As in the post-1945 years, the genie will have to be shoved back into the bottle eventually. It would be far too dangerous to allow the presumed egalitarianism of a universal basic income, or the collective spirit of being engaged in large-scale community activism, to succeed. But where does that leave those of us who would like to see an emancipated society, and are willing to work toward it?

The second vital lesson we can draw from historical periods of war socialism is that we must not be complacent about what they offer. Do we really know what a viable socialist (or communist, or emancipated) society might look like? Of course, established politicians and business leaders are profoundly disinterested in this question. But we must not follow their lead and assume that existing progressive visions are all there is. After all, existing visions are rooted in particular times and places. They dont provide all the answers and to some extent, they themselves had to be invented, created out of nothing, through political struggle.

How should the Left respond to the cash payments and volunteer programs currently implemented by centrist and right-wing governments? The question that underpins UBI proposals is how to provide everybody with the basic necessities of life (and more). But especially at a time when economic production, supply chains, and consumer markets are grinding to a halt, what good is free money if you cant buy everything you need and want anyway?

There is no shortage of alternative ideas. The Lefts program for the coming months might contain the phased introduction of certain universal basic services: initially health care and staple foods (obviously), but also safe housing (which has been provided to a fraction of the homeless population e.g., in the UK and in the United States) and childcare (to avoid impossible trade-offs as parents start returning to work while schools and nurseries may still be closed). These services may be seen as the foundational economy,access to which should not be left to our income or consumption decisions. From the months of dual power preceding the 1917 October Revolution to the community care programs run by the Black Panthers, plenty of historical experience can help us further flesh out such an approach.

At the core of the mobilization of volunteers that has taken place across Europe lies the question of how to make social use of peoples free time, ideally by tapping into moments of widespread enthusiasm for a common cause. Again, there are plans for that. Post-Keynesians have long argued that the state should act as an employer of last resort, paying those who are out of employment but willing to work a sustainable wage to carry out socially necessary jobs. The idea of rotational employment the equal sharing of necessary time and of free time among all members of the population can be traced as far back as the Paris Commune. And for cultural theorist Fredric Jameson, collective action can only last if it can channel the excitement of the conspiracy: namely, the conspiracy of tirelessly building a new society.

We have to ask what kind of employment is being promoted, and ultimately what is employment for? as feminist legal scholar Donatella Alessandrini insists. And here is where radicalized versions of UBI and volunteer programs intersect: What is employment for, if not for delivering exactly those foundational goods and services to which all of us should have free access?

In short, a concrete second demand for a COVID-19-era left could be to enroll all of those who are currently on furlough, or losing their jobs, in a (centrally funded, but locally organized) community work program through which free access to health care, staple foods, safe housing, and childcare are implemented.

The collective spirit of fighting a pandemic might, eventually, tip over into the spirit of building a society beyond wage labor and beyond the commodification of everything. Building socialism involves figuring out what shape it might take in light of material conditions, and Western governments reactions to the pandemic form part of our particular conditions. But so, too, does our own attitude toward past visions of socialism including its much-heralded wartime variant.

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The Right must plan now if we are to save the post-Covid world from the torment of socialism – Telegraph.co.uk

It seems that we can not only bail out many businesses in trouble but do so for all of them, in every industry and sector, regardless of their longer-term prospects. The Chancellor has had to do that to keep the productive capacity of the economy alive. But the longer this goes on, the more firms will really be the living dead, never to reopen in the same form again. Similarly it might seem that the state can pay the wages of millions of people indefinitely. Yet the longer it does so, the more of those furloughed workers will find they are actually unemployed.

As businesses try to emerge from the nightmare, every one of them that accepted assistance will find that regulators, politicians, trade unions and campaigners feel entitled to a say on how they deploy their capital in future. Every dividend payment will be criticised, even if vital to the overall health of pension funds. Each new hire will be deemed too expensive, even if needed for the business to compete; each new automated process condemned for destroying jobs even though important to raise the long-stalled productivity of the economy.

Against this background, Left-wing thinkers will be able to advance more easily an agenda of state intervention, and unaffordable ideas such as a national basic income. Most conveniently of all for them, the magic money tree that Conservatives have spent years saying does not exist appears to have been found. If we need a few hundred billion we can conjure it up, or so it must seem. Never mind the awful truth, that one day it will be paid for in higher inflation, a much-devalued currency or crippling taxation. The concept of endless billions whenever we need them is now firmly in the public mind. And if we need taxation, those of a socialist disposition will say, this is the moment to tax wealth, land and corporations. With millions unemployed, how else, they will argue, can higher spending be financed?

Worst of all, the boundary between personal freedom and state power has been shifted dramatically, and in some countries it will never move fully back. Surveillance, monitoring and restrictions are an everyday reality for many months to come. There is a danger that, subtly and imperceptibly, the public will grow accustomed to a smaller space for individual liberty and a bigger role for the state, changing the acceptability of other ideas supposedly to secure a better future through larger, more powerful and more dominating governments.

Conservatives, and other champions of an open, free and enterprising society based on sound money, need to think about this now. Otherwise they will emerge from the dark and tragic tunnel of this crisis to find themselves in a landscape they dont recognise. Of course, many will say this is not the time to think about this. In reality it is always vital to consider the battles of the future when fighting those of today. Even at the height of the Second World War, the time was taken to consider the aftermath: Beveridge designed the modern welfare state and, at Bretton Woods, the post-war financial system was laid out.

Being fully aware of the titanic political struggle to come is crucial to make the right decisions about how to help this country and others recover. There will be a natural and justified desire to learn from the crisis and create a better world after it. Fundamental parts of that are improved international cooperation, pandemic prevention and national resilience, all of which have been found wanting in recent weeks. But the centre-Right of politics will also have to work hard, and think deeply, to present a vision of a more environmentally sustainable society, with worthwhile work for all and fairness to young generations.

It is richer capitalist societies that are best at cleaning up their environment, inventing new forms of energy and fostering the innovations we need to save ourselves from climate change. We need to show how tax and regulation can push market forces to do that, not forever tell everyone how to live.

To get growth going again, dispensing with some of the rules that limit house building and business development in high streets is the way, not more requirements and planning zones. Using the tax system to encourage entrepreneurship among younger people should be a priority. Above all, building a world-class education system for people of all regions and backgrounds is the most pressing need.

Ministers in this country can begin to capture the new political ground by designing such imperatives into the plans for the recovery of our economy and society, centred on the three es: employment, education and environment. For if people are left to turn only to socialist ideas in the wake of these terrible weeks, todays tragedies will turn into the lifelong torment of tomorrow.

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Socialism, capitalism, and cholera in 19th-century Hamburg – Red Flag

I certainly didnt expect to spend the start of 2020 wading through nearly 700 pages about the 1892 Hamburg cholera epidemic, but Im glad I did. Death in Hamburg, British historian Richard J. Evans social history of the epidemic, is a page-turner, his passion for the topic nothing short of infectious.

At the time it was published in 1987, the contemporary parallel was the spread of HIV-AIDS. The parallels with our sorry times are, if anything, more direct. Its a tale of official indifference, denial, opportunism by the wealthy and callousness towards the masses.

It is also the story of how a disease brought about a profound political and economic upheaval, such that up until WWI, the history of the city was measured before and after the epidemic. Upended particularly was the relationship between social classes the old rulers being discredited and those previously sidelined decisively entering the stage. The epidemic, in other words, changed everything.

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Cholera is caused by bacteria that grow on marine animals which, when they get into the water supply and are consumed by humans, cause violent diarrhoea, which can lead to death in as little as 24 hours. It is a horrible fate, like a thousand devils ... pulling at ones innards or perhaps sawing ones body in half at the same time, as Evans elsewhere describes it.

The disease killed 10,000 of Hamburgs 800,000 inhabitants in just over six weeks during August and September 1892. Around half of those affected died, many before they could receive medical attention.

Several factors led to the bacteria entering the citys water supply. One was their arrival on a migrant train from Russia, and the unsanitary disposal of waste from overcrowded migrant accommodation. Another was the drought of 1892, which enabled the bacteria to travel further upstream in the river Elbe (from which Hamburgs water supply was sourced) than they would have otherwise. But the most important was the most scandalous: neglect on the part of the citys authorities to construct a water purification system in advance of the epidemic.

Following a 1873 cholera outbreak, the Hamburg Medical Board pressed for a filtration system for the citys water supply. Eight years later, the Citizens Assembly agreed in principle, but fears about possible incursions on the interests of the wealthy, especially within the Property Owners Association, which was well represented in the Citizens Assembly, derailed the project.

Ultimately, priority was given to projects that furthered the citys prestige rather than helped its residents, such as, the building of the new Town Hall , a grandiose Renaissance edifice designed ... to provide a symbolic reaffirmation of the waning power of the City Fathers.

This reflected the politics of the city: economics ruled. The largest European seaport and the fourth richest in the world at the time, Hamburg was controlled by an oligarchy of wealthy merchants, who dominated the citys administration and appointed all its senior officials including medical and public health officers. It was a bastion of laissez-faire liberalism, where trade was paramount.

This largely explained the authorities disastrous response. When the first cholera-like cases were noted, the official reaction was denial. When the outbreak could no longer be denied, they dragged their feet implementing measures to stop contagion, prioritising their commercial interests over lives.

Robert Koch, a prominent microbiologist and advocate of the (now accepted) contagionist theory of disease, was sent to Hamburg by the German central government to take control of the outbreak. But he first had to wage a political battle against the Hamburg establishment, which favoured the prevailing miasma theory. This posited that disease was the product of a cloud-like miasma that rose up from the ground, particularly where conditions were dirty, an explanation preferred in Hamburg, not for its scientific merit, but because it meant blame could be laid at the feet of lazy, unclean and irresponsible poor people rather than the city authorities.

Koch insisted on a variety of measures including the imposition of quarantine, disinfection and cleaning of public places and homes, the distribution of free, uncontaminated water and a public information campaign about how to stop the spread which Hamburgs officials only begrudgingly agreed to implement.

Even then, health was far from their first priority. Mass dissemination of disease control information, for example, was not implemented until a whole week after it was agreed to. In addition to being deadly, this delay was political. Not possessing the popular support needed to carry out the task itself, the Senate was forced to swallow its pride and call on the only force that did: the local branch of the Social Democratic Party of Germany.

But days were allowed to pass before the party was contacted, as Evans argues likely so that the distribution would take place on the next available Sunday (28 August) and so avoid any disruption of work, with its consequent loss of profit to the employers. Had the distribution taken place on the 26th or 27th, thousands of Social Democratic party workers overwhelmingly manual labourers would have had to take time off work and because at the request of the authorities, their bosses wouldnt have been able to penalise them for it. This would have saved lives, but at the cost of all-important profits.

The same logic applied in the treatment of the many migrants in Hamburg, at the time an entry point for western Europe; thousands were temporarily housed in the city. Concerned not to be held financially responsible for them in the event of quarantine measures being imposed, the citys authorities rushed to give clean bills of health to the migrant ships waiting to leave, despite being aware that cholera had infected the city. This not only killed many passengers, it also spread the infection to other parts of Europe and the US.

As the traditional rulers of Hamburg were increasingly discredited through repeated episodes like this, the previously shunned and ostracised Social Democrats were able to gain a greater following. The Hamburg branch of the party was conservative even by the reformist Social Democratic Partys standards, but it was nevertheless able to connect with the popular anger created by the epidemic.

On 4 November, the party held nine simultaneous mass meetings, which attracted a combined attendance of 30,000 according to the bourgeois press at the time. All had a common theme, wrote Evans, that the epidemic had been caused by the incompetence and greed of the Hamburg Senate. Speakers agitated for greater health care, public sanitation and an extension of suffrage to undermine the power of the merchants.

The Social Democrats were pushing on an open door the poor were affected by cholera more acutely than the wealthy. In part this was because of the crowded and filthy conditions workers and the poor were compelled to live in. But, more importantly, wealth provided protection from the disease. The wealthy had the ability to read and therefore take note of public notices, the means to flee the city and access to servants with time to boil water and sanitise their houses for them. For Hamburgs poor, most of the necessary sanitary measures were simply not practical, even if they were made aware of them.

Workers and the poor were also the most hard hit by the economic effects of the epidemic, especially unemployment. Thousands were suddenly without work, and remained so months later. In January 1893, 18,000 workers were registered as looking for work on the docks; fewer than 5,000 were successful. In the same month, 70 workers occupied the city engineers department demanding jobs, and the mounted police were called to quell a riot outside a labour exchange.

While on the one hand dismissing the unemployment problem as Social Democratic bluster, the wealthy also self-servingly invoked it as a reason to roll back health measures and get the economy back to normal. Supposed concern on the part of the Chamber of Commerce for the very many groups affected by redundancies and dismissals featured prominently in its campaign to remove quarantine regulations and restore manufacturing and trade.

In the epidemics aftermath, the level of popular anger meant the ruling class had no choice but to offer reforms of various sorts, particularly in housing, planning and public sanitation. A further motivation was concern that the city might be taken over by the German central government and lose its self-governing status, so calamitous was the perception (and reality) of the Hamburg authorities mishandling of the epidemic.

But as 1892 gradually receded into history and the threat of absorption into greater Germany subsided, these reform efforts quickly petered out. Unfortunately, the Social Democrats the only force in Hamburg that could have forced the authorities hand and successfully pushed for real gains for workers were unwilling to lead the necessary social rebellion.

Their organising efforts later in the epidemic, honourable though they were, were largely in response to the radicalism of the bourgeois press in the face of official incompetence. Left to its own devices, the party had tended more to embrace the spirit of social unity and cooperation, and in so doing prove its loyalty to the state it claimed to oppose.

Indeed, the editors of the partys Hamburg publication, the Hamburger Echo, not only refused to publish correspondence critical of the authorities in relation to the epidemic; they voluntarily passed it on to the police. They also warned the police about actions by unemployed workers that they suspected, partly because they were organised by competing syndicalists, might become unruly.

The whole episode was largely seen as a dress rehearsal for 1914, when the party leadership more dramatically proved its loyalty to the state by betraying its principles and supporting the war effort at the outbreak of world war.

It took a major strike by dock workers in 1896 to renew the drive to action and win real reforms. The strike involved more than 16,000 port workers and lasted for nearly three months. Despite Social Democratic efforts to bring it to an end and its eventual defeat, the strike aroused enormous sympathy and led to real improvements in the living conditions of Hamburgs poorest workers. The actions of mostly unorganised casual labourers had achieved what none of the organised political forces had been able to.

Nevertheless, as Evans points out, the transformation that the epidemic brought in the citys official politics was reflected in the fact that all the citys Reichstag seats were won by the Social Democrats in the 1893 national elections, and they made such gains in local elections that in 1906 the citys ruling Senate changed the voting qualifications to reduce the chances of a Social Democratic takeover. Prior to this the party had enjoyed no official representation at all.

The great cities of the industrial age, Evans notes in his conclusion, are so advanced in the complexity and fragility of their existence that even relatively small-scale disasters can plunge them into a state of chaos and helplessness. Indeed, Hamburg was an advanced city that took pride in its independence and was widely considered modern and civilised. It was run by upstanding captains of industry who considered themselves superior to most. Yet thousands died when cholera arrived in 1892, not because the disease could not be prevented, but because the commercial interests that dominated the city administration resisted the disruption to business and trade that was required to prevent it.

This tragedy is playing out again, 130 years later. In societies much better placed to avoid such human suffering, hundreds of thousands are needlessly suffering and dying. In 1892, those responsible paid a high political price. Lets hope they do again.

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Nationalism ‘inherently right-wing’ and incompatible with socialism, First Minister says – Nation.Cymru

First Minister Mark Drakeford. Picture from a Welsh Government video.

The First Minister has said that Welsh nationalism is an inherently right-wing creed and that people must choose between it and socialism.

Speaking to Nick Robinson on Radio 4, Mark Drakeford was quizzed on whether independence for Wales would be worthwhile in order to avoid Conservative UK Governments.

Have you never thought, over the years, the decades since, been tempted to think maybe we have a real chance of achieving the socialism we want in Wales by being nationalist? Nick Robinson asked.

Margaret Thatcher was in power for all that time as heavy industry was being run down if not destroyed, even now is there not a bit of you that thinks we could have avoided dominance by an English Tory party?

Mark Drakeford replied that hes never been attracted by nationalism.

In the end, I think its an inherently right-wing creed that operates by persuading people that they are because they are against what somebody else is, he said. And I think in the end that is a deeply unattractive creed.

Rhodri [Morgan, the former First Minister] used to say that Margaret was the greatest recruiting sergeant for devolution. But if you try and work out why people in Wales rejected devolution so strongly in 1979 and were willing by a small margin to endorse it in 1997 it was the experience of those long years of Thatcherism.

And for me, devolution is the best of both worlds. It allows us to remain part of the United Kingdom and draw on the strength of being part of that collective whole. But it puts decisions about what happens in Wales in the hands of people who live in Wales.

Im a fierce supporter of devolution. But I also want Wales to be part of the wider collective in which we have that big insurance policy which the United Kingdom provides in which we pool our resources and we redistribute them out to where the need is greatest.

Accident

Mark Drakeford said that he had grown up in the 60s in the Carmarthen area during the time of Plaid Cymru leader Gwynfor Evans victory and had chosen very early to be a socialist instead of a nationalist.

The start of almost every day of my school life was people bring in roadsigns that they had collected overnight, and depositing them in different rooms in the school, he said.

But it meant that I had to face very early on really the choice between whether you were a nationalist or you were a socialist. And by the time I was about 14 I had already decided that I was a socialist.

That the accident of geography, the chance of birth that youre born in ones particular spot on the planet, is less important much as being Welsh matters to me, and it matters to me deeply in terms of the language and the history and the culture and so on.

But in the end, the interests of working people in Carmarthen are the same as the interests of working people in Canterbury, or other parts of the United Kingdom, and thats a more important bond.

Rules

Nick Robinson asked the First Minister about his decision to move out of lockstep with the UK Government on how the lockdown was enforced in Wales, including different rules on travel away from home.

I agree that that is at the more vivid end of the differences between us, he said. We have made a very firm decision here that we ask people to stay home and if they leave home, if theyre able to, they stay local.

And local is very important to us because we think its a very important tool in the armoury to stop the spread of the virus. The people who come across our border may not have heard, because they arent focussed on what is happening in Wales, that things are different here.

So using our motorway signs to make sure that people understand the rules and that theyre in a part of the United Kingdom where that rule happens to be different was I thought just a sensible way of making sure that people understood the position that they would be in.

Our police are regularly having to stop cars that are travelling to second homes and explain to them that thats not an essential journey, under our regulations, and persuade people to go home. And once youve explained to people what the rules in Wales are, theyre very happy to very willing to follow the rules.

Different

He said that the only thing he and Boris Johnson had in common was that they had both learnt Latin, and he said he would have a go and see where it takes us.

I want a relationship of respect with any Prime Minister, he said. Were very, very different people. Its almost impossible to think of people who are more different.

The Prime Minister a very English figure, public school, all of those sorts of things, and Im a Welsh-speaking Welshman from west Wales.

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