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Okie District Attorney Incorrectly Cites Stand Your Ground Law In Triple Homicide – Bearing Arms

Either Oklahomas implementation of castle doctrine and stand your ground laws are substantially different than that of the rest of the country, or the assistant district attorney could use a refresher on the laws of self defense.

The nearly eight-minute 911 call begins about 12:44 p.m. on Monday.

Ive just been broken into. Three men, two Ive shot in my house, the caller says. Ones down, ones still talking. You need to get here now.

The caller doesnt sound panicked, and waits for the operator to ask him questions.

Wagoner County Chief Deputy Les Young said a deputy arrived two minutes after the 911 call was initiated. The operator keeps the caller a 23-year-old who lives at the home on the phone until you hear the deputy talking to him.

A probable cause affidavit alleges Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, 21, planned the burglary and waited in the car while the masked intruders broke into the home.

In a news release Wednesday, the sheriffs department said Rodriguez waived her right to an attorney and told them she determined the residents had money and expensive belongings, and that was why she selected his home to hit a lick a term some criminals use to describe getting a significant amount of money in a short period of time.

Authorities said the suspect became aware of the homeowner, but did not know him or his son, the shooter.

Rodriguez and the three slain intruders burglarized a spare apartment at the residence earlier in the day and returned to rob the main house, the news release said. The three teens, dressed in black and covering their faces, kicked in the door, encountered the resident and were shot inside the house.

One of the injured suspects exited the home and tried to get back in to Rodriguezs vehicle, but she told investigators she drove away and left him in the driveway, the release said.

Rodriguez allegedly fled and later went to the Broken Arrow Police Department.

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Young said she was arrested and was being held on suspicion of three counts of first-degree murder, one count of first-degree burglary and one count of second-degree burglary.

Assistant District Attorney Jack Thorp said Tuesday that Rodriguez could be formally charged with murder if the suspects were killed while she was involved in a felony. But formal charges wont come until later in the week, at the earliest.

It is unclear whether Rodriguez has an attorney.

The deceased suspects were Jaycob Woodruff, 16; Jacob Redfern, 17; and Maxwell Cook, 19, the sheriffs office said. One suspect had a knife, and another carried brass knuckles, authorities have said.

Thorp told reporters that investigators will help his office determine whether Oklahomas Stand Your Ground law applies in the case of the triple shooting.

The 911 call and all publicly available information suggests that the shooting occurred during a home invasion attempt in which the suspects were armed with a knife and brass knuckles. One of the dead burglars was found dead inthe driveway after running from the home. The others were found inside the home.

This sounds like a textbook castle doctrine case under Oklahoma law.

21-1289.25 PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER

A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes or places of business.

B. A person or an owner, manager or employee of a business is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

1. The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or a place of business, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the will of that person from the dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business; and

2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

Stand your ground laws (including Oklahomas) are an expansion of castle doctrines protections to apply to places other than in the home or business. As this was unquestionably a burglary/home invasion,Assistant District Attorney Jack Thorp is mistaken in suggesting that 21-1289.25 D, the stand your ground provision, should apply.

D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

I fully expect the mainstream media to misapply and misconstrue the laws regarding self defense cases in order to make lawful self defense seem bad or evil. They are, after all, typically strong supporters of gun control.

Its infuriating, however, for prosecutors not to know the laws regarding self defense in their jurisdictions.

This is clearly a castle doctrine case where a man was confronted by armed home invaders who came into his residence. Stand your provisions are not relevant, and the prosecutor should explain that to the media, as the case has now gained national attention.

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Victim’s mother: Stand Your Ground emboldens shooters – Florida Today

Lucy McBath, Guest columnist 12:06 a.m. ET March 30, 2017

A framed copy of the Jet magazine cover story on Jordan Davis, son of Ron Davis and Lucy McBath, is pictured the law office of their attorney, John Phillips, in Jacksonville. Jordan Davis,17, was shot to death by Michael Dunn, of Satellite Beach, on Nov. 23, 2012.(Photo: Tim Shortt, FLORIDA TODAY)Buy Photo

The Florida House will soon vote on a bill that would expand the states already-deadly Stand Your Ground law. These laws embolden individuals to shoot first and ask questions later rather than encourage people to de-escalate their conflicts through peaceful means and walk away when safe to do so.

Research shows that Floridas current iteration was associated with an increase in firearm homicides, and while these types of laws put all of us at risk, they have a disproportionate impact on communities of color.

I understand this painful reality all too well. My son, Jordan Davis, was just 17 years old when he was shot and killed by an older white man during a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville gas station. Jordan and his friends were all unarmed. My sons killer was not.

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Research shows that when white shooters kill black victims, the resulting homicides are deemed justifiable 11 times more frequently than when the shooter is black and the victim is white. Additionally, Florida Stand Your Ground cases with minority victims are half as likely to lead to conviction, compared with cases that involve white victims.

Since Jordans murder, Ive dedicated my life to honoring his memory by telling his story and working to make sure no other parent experiences the pain of having a child stolen from them through gun violence. I, along with Florida members of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America and other gun violence survivors, will continue to speak out against this bill and all other dangerous bills that put our communities at risk.

Floridas Stand Your Ground already gives untrained civilians more leeway to shoot than the U.S. military gives its soldiers in war zones. Now, SB 128 would expand the law by effectively requiring criminal defendants who raise a Stand Your Ground defense to be convicted twice once by a judge and once by a jury.

This new bill would shift the burden of proof in Stand Your Ground pretrial hearings from defendants to prosecutors, forcing the state to prove a shooter acted unlawfully before it even brings a case to trial. This would make it easier for gun criminals to elude justice. It would also create an insurmountable backlog of cases for prosecutors, and stretch already-thin resources without allocating any more funding to that state agency.

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Simply put, these types of laws do not deter crime. They allow individuals to shoot and kill others in public places even when they can clearly and safely walk away from the conflict.

We should focus on keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people not passing laws that turn everyday confrontations into deadly shootouts.

Floridians deserve better than this. Jordans memory deserves better than this. Trayvons memory deserves better than this. Our lawmakers should remember that the dangerous proposal theyre supporting today can and will have irreversible and even deadly consequences for many Floridians for years to come.

Lucy McBath is the Faith and Outreach Leader for Everytown for Gun Safety and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

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Changing Stand Your Ground law wrong for Florida

Lucy McBath 11:19 a.m. ET March 28, 2017

Lucy McBath is the Faith and Outreach Leader for Everytown for Gun Safety and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.(Photo: File)

The Florida House will soon vote on a bill that would expand the states already-deadly Stand Your Ground law. These laws embolden individuals to shoot first and ask questions later rather than encourage people to de-escalate their conflicts through peaceful means and walk away when safe to do so.

Research shows that Floridas current iteration was associated with an increase in firearm homicides, and while these types of laws put all of us at risk, they have a disproportionate impact on communities of color.

I understand this painful reality all too well. My son, Jordan Davis, was just 17 years old when he was shot and killed by an older white man during a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville gas station. Jordan and his friends were all unarmed. My sons killer was not.

Research shows that when white shooters kill black victims, the resulting homicides are deemed justifiable 11 times more frequently than when the shooter is black and the victim is white. Additionally, Florida Stand Your Ground cases with minority victims are half as likely to lead to conviction, compared with cases that involve white victims.

Since Jordans murder, Ive dedicated my life to honoring his memory by telling his story and working to make sure no other parent experiences the pain of having a child stolen from them through gun violence. I, along with Florida members of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America and other gun violence survivors, will continue to speak out against this bill and all other dangerous bills that put our communities at risk.

Floridas Stand Your Ground already gives untrained civilians more leeway to shoot than the U.S. military gives its soldiers in war zones. Now, SB 128 would expand the law by effectively requiring criminal defendants who raise a Stand Your Ground defense to be convicted twice once by a judge and once by a jury.

This new bill would shift the burden of proof in Stand Your Ground pretrial hearings from defendants to prosecutors, forcing the state to prove a shooter acted unlawfully before it even brings a case to trial. This would make it easier for gun criminals to elude justice. It would also create an insurmountable backlog of cases for prosecutors, and stretch already-thin resources without allocating any more funding to that state agency.

Simply put, these types of laws do not deter crime. They allow individuals to shoot and kill others in public places even when they can clearly and safely walk away from the conflict.

We should focus on keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people not passing laws that turn everyday confrontations into deadly shootouts.

Floridians deserve better than this. Jordans memory deserves better than this. Trayvons memory deserves better than this. Our lawmakers should remember that the dangerous proposal theyre supporting today can and will have irreversible and even deadly consequences for many Floridians for years to come.

Lucy McBath is the Faith and Outreach Leader for Everytown for Gun Safety and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

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Victim’s mother: Stand Your Ground law emboldens shooters – Tallahassee.com

Lucy McBath, My View Published 9:25 a.m. ET March 28, 2017 | Updated 11:17 a.m. ET March 28, 2017

Emotions were high after Jordan Davis' killer was convicted of murder. 17-year-old Davis' life ended when Michael Dunn shot him during an argument about rap music being played loudly the day after Thanksgiving in 2012. VPC

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It has been a year since 17-year-old Jordan Davis was gunned down over loud music he was playing in Jacksonville, Florida. The accused gunman Michael Dunn is considering using the state's "stand your ground" law in his defense. VPC

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The father of Jordan Davis, the teen killed by Michael Dunn after a confrontation about loud music, explains why this retrial for a murder conviction is important to him. VPC

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The Florida House will soon vote on a bill that would expand the states already-deadly Stand Your Ground law. These laws embolden individuals to shoot first and ask questions later rather than encourage people to de-escalate their conflicts through peaceful means and walk away when safe to do so.

Research shows that Floridas current iteration was associated with an increase in firearm homicides, and while these types of laws put all of us at risk, they have a disproportionate impact on communities of color.

I understand this painful reality all too well. My son, Jordan Davis, was just 17 years old when he was shot and killed by an older white man during a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville gas station. Jordan and his friends were all unarmed. My sons killer was not.

Research shows that when white shooters kill black victims, the resulting homicides are deemed justifiable 11 times more frequently than when the shooter is black and the victim is white. Additionally, Florida Stand Your Ground cases with minority victims are half as likely to lead to conviction, compared with cases that involve white victims.

Since Jordans murder, Ive dedicated my life to honoring his memory by telling his story and working to make sure no other parent experiences the pain of having a child stolen from them through gun violence. I, along with Florida members of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America and other gun violence survivors, will continue to speak out against this bill and all other dangerous bills that put our communities at risk.

Floridas Stand Your Ground already gives untrained civilians more leeway to shoot than the U.S. military gives its soldiers in war zones. Now, SB 128 would expand the law by effectively requiring criminal defendants who raise a Stand Your Ground defense to be convicted twice once by a judge and once by a jury.

This new bill would shift the burden of proof in Stand Your Ground pretrial hearings from defendants to prosecutors, forcing the state to prove a shooter acted unlawfully before it even brings a case to trial. This would make it easier for gun criminals to elude justice. It would also create an insurmountable backlog of cases for prosecutors, and stretch already-thin resources without allocating any more funding to that state agency.

Simply put, these types of laws do not deter crime. They allow individuals to shoot and kill others in public places even when they can clearly and safely walk away from the conflict.

We should focus on keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people not passing laws that turn everyday confrontations into deadly shootouts.

Floridians deserve better than this. Jordans memory deserves better than this. Trayvons memory deserves better than this. Our lawmakers should remember that the dangerous proposal theyre supporting today can and will have irreversible and even deadly consequences for many Floridians for years to come.

Lucy McBath is the Faith and Outreach Leader for Everytown for Gun Safety and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

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Karen McKearn-Lawrence, Des Moines, Letter to the Editor 5:24 p.m. CT March 28, 2017

A woman testifies against adding a "stand your ground" provision to Iowa's gun laws as others hold signs on the dangers of letting guns into the wrong hands.(Photo: Rekha Basu)

I went for a walk earlier this month, after dark something I have been doing for years. I have always felt safe because I live in a good neighborhood. Heading into mile four, someone in a beat-up car who apparently didn't feel so safestarted stalking me.

First the car drove by slowly, then pulled over twice to watch me, then turned around and started driving toward me, at which point I took a dive into the nearest yard to hide in the shadows, terrified.The car stopped a few yards from me and a woman yelled out, "Who are you?"

I said, "Who are you and what are you doing following me?" She replied that she thought I was invading property. I didn't say what I wanted to say.

Keep in mind that I am 5-foot-2-inches, about 105 poundsand walking on the sidewalk. I am grateful that the "stand your ground" law hadn't yet gone into effect.

Although the driver of that car will undoubtedly feel safer when it does, she won't be and neither will I.

Karen McKearn-Lawrence, Des Moines

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