How many Trump insiders pleaded the Fifth in the Jan. 6 probe? – MSNBC
It was nearly six years ago when Donald Trump made a comment at a Florida rally he probably wishes he could take back.
The mob takes the Fifth Amendment, the then-candidate said at the time, deriding those who assert their right against self-incrimination. If youre innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?
It was a rhetorical question that came to mind during yesterdays Jan. 6 committee hearing, as Vice Chair Liz Cheney thanked the witnesses for participating in the proceedings. From the transcript:
[I]ts been an honor to spend time with you and with our previous witnesses here today. To date, more than 30 witnesses called before this committee have not done what youve done, but have invoked their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.
That number stood out, in part because its such a large total, and in part because its much higher than we previously knew.
Circling back to our earlier coverage, there are several high-profile figures from Team Trump whom we already knew pleaded the Fifth:
If Cheneys comments were accurate, however, were not talking about five people from Team Trump who were concerned about giving self-incriminating answers; were talking about 30 such people.
To be sure, Americans have these rights under the Constitution. If members of the former presidents team have reason to be concerned about possible prosecution, its not too surprising that their legal counsel would encourage them to invoke their Fifth Amendment rights.
Whats more, its also worth noting that Cheney wasnt specific about who these people were, and its at least possible that some of the group didnt work for the Trump administration or the former presidents political operation.
Nevertheless, it now appears that the total number of people taking the Fifth is much higher than previously known.
As for the context, the top Republican quickly added that she has a specific witness in mind whom shes eager to speak with.
The American people have not yet heard from Mr. Trumps former White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, Cheney said. Our committee is certain that Donald Trump does not want Mr. Cipollone to testify here. Indeed, our evidence shows that Mr. Cipollone and his office tried to do what was right. They tried to stop a number of President Trumps plans for Jan. 6. Today and in our coming hearings you will hear testimony from other Trump White House staff explaining what Mr. Cipollone said and did including on January 6th. But we think the American people deserve to hear from Mr. Cipollone personally.
A person close to Cipollone told NBC News late yesterday, Pat has been cooperative with the committee with President Trumps permission, but there are serious institutional concerns and privilege issues and those have been recognized by the committee.
Watch this space.
The House Jan. 6 committee is holding its fifth public hearing on Thursday, June 23 at 3 p.m. ET. Get expert analysis in real-time on our liveblog atmsnbc.com/jan6hearings.
Steve Benen is a producer for "The Rachel Maddow Show," the editor of MaddowBlog and an MSNBC political contributor. He's also the bestselling author of "The Impostors: How Republicans Quit Governing and Seized American Politics."
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