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WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND IN CHARLOTTESVILLE? Fucking disgraceful. They've been given a justification by that president of yours, haven't they? All these fucking slimers are gonna come crawling out now. I hate to say it, but maybe that needs to happen. I don't know. And now they're saying that anti-fascist people are the new fascists, that people who are against fascism are brainwashed. I'm not a political person at all in terms of party politics, but I know who my fucking enemy is and it's not people who are against fascism. It's fucking fascists! [Laughs]

THE MEDIA IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, TOO. OUTLETS THAT USE THE TERM "ALT-RIGHT" ARE SUGAR-COATING IT. CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE: NEO-NAZIS.Exactly. They've got the Grand Wizard of the fucking Klan out there. He's "alt-right" now? I don't fucking think so. They're gonna deny that lynchings happened next, the same way they deny the Holocaust. This shit didn't happen? I'm afraid to tell you, it fucking did, and it's gonna happen again soon if people don't wise up to this shit. It's really scary. I think you have to fucking acknowledge it because a lot of people who are in opposition to the fascists are just taking it for granted that we can take them on and win. But it's getting fucking serious.

These are people who have a very simplistic outlook on life. I'm not trying to be a patronizing prick I didn't go to university. I just grew up and saw things with my own fucking eyes. But people seem to think they have some kind of intelligent viewpoint by saying that people who oppose fascism are brainwashed. I mean, come on. Wake up. They say, "Call me a racist if you like, but I support President Trump." Well, why would you say, "Call me a racist" in the first place? I'm not gonna call someone a racist unless I think they are a racist. But if you have nothing negative to say about the alt-right but plenty to say about the opposition to the alt-right, then it would suggest to me that you are a sympathizer. It's quite sad because things are going to get tough between people who you thought were friends. I mean, I can't have friends with that mentality. No way.

YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH NEO-NAZIS, HAVEN'T YOU? When I was growing up I was getting death threats off these cunts. My mum was getting death threats. I don't forget things like that. I was a skinhead when I was 12, 13, 14 an extremely anti-racist skinhead. I was a vegan skinhead into Crass! [Laughs] I dressed in the Sixties style with the button-down shirts, but I listened to anarcho-punk. It was a strange combination, obviously. After getting into two-tone and reggae and ska, I got into the skinhead image, but I was into hardcore punk, at the same time. But I grew out of that image because I just didn't want to be associated with the dicks that were giving skinheads a bad name. Because not all skinheads are bad, you know? There's boneheads and there's skinheads and there's a big difference. The boneheads are the racist fucking idiots, and those fuckers turned on me bad when I became more crusty and stuff.

WHAT SPECIFICALLY PROVOKED THEM?I used to do a fanzine, and I published an article about the [far right] British Nationalist Party, which was a newly formed political party at that time. A friend of mine wrote the piece, and I was gonna print it in my fanzine. They heard it was going to be printed so they started phoning up my mum and giving her death threats. They told her they were waiting around her flat and the next time I was around I was gonna get fucking stabbed and stuff like this. So I went 'round to her flat one afternoon when the phone rang. I picked it up and someone goes, "Is that Lee Dorrian?" I knew exactly who it was I recognized his voice right way, but he denied that it was him. [Laughs] It was a guy I stood up for in court for when I was, like, 15 because he assaulted a policeman and I stood in his defense.

About a year after the death threats, I went to this party and a load of these boneheads were in the fucking lounge. I walked in, and they all did a Nazi salute. By this time, I had written on the back of my jacket: "Fuck your nationality: Make home brew, not war." [Laughs] So they hated me even more for that. Meanwhile, one guy put on "White Power" by Skrewdriver just to wind me up. So I went up to these boneheads one by one and squared up to each and every one of them. They didn't have the balls to stand up and hit me, but a year before they were giving me and my mother death threats. So fuck this shit.

ANOTHER TIME YOU WERE BEATEN UP BECAUSE YOUR ATTACKERS THOUGHT YOU WERE A RACIST SKINHEAD ... When I was 13, I got attacked for looking the way I looked. I was walking home from a punk disco for under 16 year olds on a Monday night and it had kicked off at this disco there was a lot of racial tension in the air then. I was with a Thalidomide girl she only had one arm and I had gotten the last bus home with her just to make sure she was OK. Her stop was not my usual stop, but I got off there and started walking home. As I got closer to the bus stop where I would normally get off, a load of black guys got off the bus and started giving me shit, shouting at me from across the road. I said, "Look, I'm not racist. Everything's cool." But they chased me down a hill called Skinner's Hill, kicked the fuck out of me and basically left me for dead. I was unconscious for about four hours in the middle of winterI was only 13 years old before I staggered home and told my mum I fell down the stairs. Yeah, right. And the whole time I was getting kicked in, one of the guys was telling them, "Leave him alone he's all right. I know who he is." But that didn't stop them. So that happened to me, but it didn't make me a racist. It just made me hate racism more. I got beaten up and attacked many times by white idiots, too. So I've got reasons to hate Nazis.

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